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Reading 1 - 2Chronicles  16 and 17
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16 v.12 - The idea of turning to God rather than to physicians is found elsewhere, and we do well to reflect on the implications for ourselves in a spiritual sense at least. Jer.8:22, Matt.9:12, Mark 5:26
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

16:9 'the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth' is drawn upon by the prophet Zechariah 1:10 1:11 4:10 6:7 Who relates it to the activity of Yahweh in seeking the welfare of His people.

17:3-6 The blessings which flowed upon the kingdom of Judah are presented as a direct result of the faithfulness of Jehoshaphat.
17:8-9 This spiritual state was established and maintained by public reading of Scripture. Levites went to where the people were rather than requiring them to make the effort to leave their home towns to hear the word of the Lord.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
17 v.3,4 - It is rare for us not to be told at the same time as this description whether the high places were taken away. We learn from 1Kings 22:43 that they were not, but we are not told here
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter

16:1 Baasha was the third king of the separate kingdom of Israel, and founder of its second dynasty 1 Kings 15:1- 1 Kings 16:1- end He was the son of Ahijah of the tribe of Issachar. The city of Tirzah he made the capital of his kingdom, and there he was buried, after an eventful reign of twenty-four years 1 Kings 15:33 On account of his idolatries his family was exterminated, according to the word of the prophet Jehu 1 Kings 16:3,4,10-13

17:1 Jehoshaphat was the son and successor of Asa, king of Judah. After fortifying his kingdom against Israel he set himself to cleanse the land of idolatry 1 Kings 22:43 In the third year of his reign he sent out priests and Levites over the land to instruct the people in the law 2 Chronicles 17:7-9


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter

16:12 Asa's failure in seeking to physicians is not an indication that we should not make use of the medical facilities of the day. Asa's 'physicians' used idolatry to provide the 'cure'. As should have known better. He had a choice. He could accept the illness or pray to God. The course he took was a terrible failure especially as he had instituted such a reform.

17:5 That Jehoshaphat had riches and honour' because he was faithful is rather like what God promised to Solomon because he had asked for wisdom (2 Chronicles 1:11-12)


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

16:77 The 'seer' is another name for prophet (1Sam 9:9) but here the record has reverted to the old name for some reason.

17:10 The Godly behaviour of Jehoshaphat brought peace because of a change in attitude of the surrounding nations. A fulfilment of the Proverb (16:7)


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
17:9 This is the first reference to the Book of the Law, since the days of Joshua. There are allusions to the Law in the words of David to Israel, and to Solomon, but the book itself seems to have been thoroughly neglected. This is certainly a lesson for all of us that we do not neglect the word of God that has been preserved for us.  
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

2Chron 16:9 records the prophet Hanani's words, that God's eyes run to and fro throughout the whole earth.  There are several similar expressions elsewhere in Scripture, but this one occurs verbatim in Zech 4:10. Zechariah prophecied at the time of the return from Babylon, and this is very possibly when the books of Chronicles were written. 

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David

 

16:2 Asa shows us the fickleness of human nature.  He had changed from putting his trust in Yahweh to shutting Yahweh out of his decision making.  His earlier success, gained through humility, had been blinded by arrogance which led to failure.  We must always consult Yahweh in all our doings and let Him guide our paths (Prov 3:5,6). 

16:12 This verse is not telling us to refuse medical help when needed.  But, as with anything else, we must always discuss matters with Yahweh before acting.

16:14 There was a custom in the Near East to honor dead kings who were deemed worthy.  That was to light a memorial fire.  Asa was honored this way while, as we shall see later, Jehoram was not (2Chron 21:19).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael
16:10 We have in Asa an example of a man who had good intentions, without the will to follow them through. He was ready to rely on the Lord, if he could see no way of helping of helping himself. He was a man who wanted to make the best of both worlds. We look forward to that great day when we will not have to contend the lust of flest, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

16:1 There had been a steady stream of Levites and then other people moving from the north to the kingdom of Judah. 2Chron 11:13-14 Baasha was seeking to stem this flow.

17:2  ‘Ephraim’ formed part of the kingdom of Israel in the north so we see that the boundary between the two kingdoms was not fixed through the time of the divided monarchy.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

16:7 We see a weakness in the character of Asa here, instead of relying on the Lord, he took the gold and the silver out of both the Lord's house and his own house, and was able to purchase the assistance of the king of Syria with it, instead of relying on the God of Israel. For this the prophet Hanani rebuked him, reminding him of the deliverance he had received from the army of the Ethiopians, and the fact that God is always present (V.9). This he could not handle, and wound up casting Hanani inti prison(V.10).


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to John

16:17  In relying on the king of Syria Asa lost his advantage. This seems to have been a slip in his otherwise good behaviour because God describes him as being ‘good’ 2Chron 14:2


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
17:10 Not only did the nations not make war with Jehosaphat, but tribute was brought to him from both the Philistines and the Arabians. His army, at this point would have grown to about one million men. His riches and honor would have been increased to the point that the northern kingdom ceased to harass him by acts of war. As a matter of fact, we see that the northern kingdom saw in his increased strength, that in Judah there would be a possible alliance to hold off the Syrians.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John
WORDS OF A TRUE FRIEND
 
A true friend does not always tell us what we want to hear. True friends are not just nice, they are also honest and have our needs at heart. So if we begin to do things that are wrong or hurtful, a true friend will not just brush those things aside, but will do what they can to correct us and get us back on the right path. The problem with having a true friend is that we don't always like what they have to say. What they say and do can sometimes seem hurtful, or as if they are picking on us, seeing our faults without looking at their own. A true friend will not always seem like a friend even though they are acting out of pure motives.
 
Our best friends are God and Jesus. King Asa's best friend was God. God had helped him and supported him. He had established Asa as king, given him peace and encouragement, and had been found by Asa and all Judah. But when Asa made a mistake and God sent a seer to reprove him, Asa couldn't cope. "Asa was angry with the seer because of this; he was so enraged that he put him in prison." (2Chron 16:10)
 
We need to remember that God, Jesus, and our real friends are seeking our best when they criticise us. Let's not get angry as Asa did and forfeit the blessings of obedience. Instead let us listen and examine ourselves honestly, changing to become better friends ourselves.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Robert

17:3-5 Notice how the record makes the point that Jehoshaphat was blessed because he followed in the ways of righteousness. It might seem such a natural thing but this is what God said he would do. He would bless faithfulness and punish disobedience. That is what Deuteronomy 28 is all about. Some could have easily reasoned that Jehoshaphat’s benefits came from his own wisdom though. It is always possible to rationalise God’s involvement in our lives.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

There are those who start on a godly path, but lose their way. Solomon was an example of this. And, so too was Asa. He started off with godly zeal, but failed in his later years. He had defeated a Cushite invader, who had 1,000,000 men, while Asa had only 580,000 men at his disposal. Yahweh assisted him with the victory (2Chron 14:8,9).

Later, Asa, forgetting the value of that experience, called upon the king of Syria for help instead of Yahweh (16:2-4). The prophet Hanani notified Asa of his mistake (16:7,8). Unfortunately, Asa did not mend his ways but continued on his path of unfaithfulness (16:12). Asa died out of favor with Yahweh.

It is important for us to remember that if we end up out of favor with Yahweh, our initial righteousness does not count. However, like Hanani, we must point out to our brethren their faults, so that they might reform.

If we do, and they do not respond, then they will be subject to their own guilt. However, if we have the opportunity to point out their errors, and do not, the guilt falls on us (Eze 3:20).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

 

17:1 Jehoshaphat means Yahweh has judged. The name is used to indicate judgment in the end times.

Israel will be invaded in a time soon to come (Eze 38). There will be much destruction and loss of life. However, Jesus, who will have returned from heaven, will attack and destroy the invaders. With the help of His immortalized brethren, He will liberate Israel.

The prophet Joel forecasts the destruction of the enemy (Joel 3:2,12). The valley of Jehoshaphat is not a real place. It is symbolic of the divine judgment that will be rendered on the enemy.

By contrast, Ezekiel forecasts a location for the same destruction of the invaders: Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel (Eze 39:4).  This area is where Jerusalem is situated.  Jerusalem will be liberated first, and then the enemy will be destroyed wherever he is found, throughout the land of Israel.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

16:2 There was conflict between Israel and Judah – brethren were at variance with each other. Rather than resolve their problem Asa sought outside help – rather like seeking the support on unbelievers and their system of doing things rather than seeking to be reconciled to the brother.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

17:1 Jehoshaphat began his reign in 914 BC when he was 35 years old. He reigned for 25 years, 3 years in the stead of his father Asa who was incapacitated because of diseased feet, and then 22 years alone. Jehoshaphat was one of the few good kings of Judah.

17:7 Obadiah and Zechariah were teachers of the Law and judges, and not the prophets whose books bear their names.

17:11 These Philistines could have been ones who had been subdued by David (2Sam 8:1). The Arabians could be referring to the Edomites whose territory was under the control of Judah (1Kin 22:47,48).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

17:6 It is more common to read of the good kings of Judah that they did not take away the high places’ for example 2Chron 15:17


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

2Chron 16:1 - "Baasha" [(1201) means "to stink, wicked"].

2Chron 16:10 - "prison" [Heb. "mahpeketh" (4115) means "stocks, wrench, crooked posture, prison, house of stocks"] is where Asa put Hanani the seer and this is the first recorded ill treatment of a prophet; that Asa was afflicted in his feet was perhaps a reminder of the treatment metted out to Hanani (2Chron 16:12) and also the spiritual lesson that our walk should be unblemished.

2Chron 17:3-6,10-12 - Jehoshaphat's reign perhaps foreshadowed the kingdom Christ will establish on earth (Dan 2:44;Zech 14:9).


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Charles
Reading 2 - Ezekiel 48
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If nothing else, this chapter shows us the way that Israel are very much still part of God's purpose in the time of the end.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
48:35 the name of the city Revelation 3:12
The listing of the tribes and their inheritance here may seem difficult to understand. However that Ezekiel has listed them marks the literal fulfilment of this prophecy can be expected. Israel will return to the land, be converted and be encompassed into the 'New covenant' or Jeremiah 31 and a temple will be built.
Pray God that we will be there in that day.

Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.9 - As in ch. 45:4,5
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
48:35 In saying 'the Lord is there' we have an echo of 1 Kings 8:29 when Solomon dedicated the temple that he had built. The glory cloud never entered the temple built by Herod to his own agransiment. The temple that Ezekiel saw in vision will be built in the future.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
48:10 In providing an area for the priest around the temple we see a return to the way that things were ordained in the wilderness around the tabernacle. The priest were situated next to the tabernacle with the tribes outside the inner ring of priests. This contrasts with the time of the kings when the land was divided up and the priest were given various cities dispersed throughout the land as outlined in Joshua.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
48:17 In describing the priests suburbs as being round the city we are presented with a situation which was like the nation in the wilderness.  During that time the priests had their tents round the tabernacle.

Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter

V.35 Does this mean the name of the city will be "Jehovah Sammah" (The LORD is there), or that the reality will be best expressed by this descriptive title. Zech 2:10,  Rev 21:3, Rev 22:3 ?


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John
Ezekiel 48: Israel's Inheritance
It is interesting when looking at the Tribes and their settling in the land. The tribes closest to the Holy Oblation(Eze 45:1-6, Eze 48:8-12) came from Leah and Rachel, whereas the tribes furthest away from the oblation came from the handmaids, Zilpah and Bilhah. In the Age to come, everyone will realize the truth that the promises are through Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.
There are Seven tribes listed above the Oblation(vs 1-7). Seven(7) is the covenant number. At the time of divine "judgement{DAN}" there shall be a "blessing{ASHER}" for those who by "wrestling{NAPHTALI}}" and "forgetting{MANASSEH}" the old way bear "double fruit{EPHRAIM}" and live to "see a son{REUBEN}" and receive "praise{JUDAH}".
There are Five tribes listed below the Oblation(vs 23-28). Five(5) is the number of grace. These tribes having become related to the "son of the right hand{BENJAMIN}" by "hearing{SIMEON}" receive a "reward{ISSACHAR}" and "dwell{ZEBULUN}" in the "company{GAD}" of Israel redeemed.

Matt Drywood [Hamilton Ewen Rd (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Matt
PEER PRESSURE
 
It's easy to join in when everyone else is doing it.  Peer pressure on teenagers is particularly intense.  This is shown by the fact that a large proportion of drug taking and early sex is due to pressure because teens have the impression that "everyone is doing it."  It's hard to stand alone when the rest of the crowd is going the other way.
 
However hard it may be, it is never impossible.  The descendants of Zadok were a great example of this.  Even though the Levites and the priests went astray, the descendants of Zadok stayed faithful to God all the way through.  For that reason they have been promised a special reward.
 
As God told Ezekiel the future layout of the land of Israel, he described a special part  of it, saying, "This will be for the consecrated priests, the Zadokites, who were faithful in serving me and did not go astray as the Levites did when the Israelites went astray.  It will be a special gift to them from the sacred portion of the land, a most holy portion, bordering the territory of the Levites." (Eze 48:11-12)
 
Let's not let ourselves be carried away by the crowd, or even what we think the crowd is doing.  Instead let us stand up for what we believe and constantly live our lives in a way that will be acceptable to God.
Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Robert
“The name of the city from that day shall be, ‘The Lord is there’.” (Eze 48:35)  The prophet Ezekiel concludes his long and sad book with a profound and positive statement. While Ezekiel has been writing, Jerusalem has been destroyed and the Jews either killed or taken captive. But his last nine chapters have been about the Jews’ return; about Jerusalem’s re-instatement as not only their capital, but as the capital of the world; and Jesus Christ established as the new world king. “The Lord is there”.
David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

48:1-8 The listing of the tribes and their inheritance demonstrates that natural Israel will exist in the kingdom age. Along with the description of temple worship we are able to develop a picture of natural Israel with a system of worship in the millennium. This accords with nations going up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles – Zech 14:16  and the law going forth from Jerusalem – Mic 4:2


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

48:11 Again the sons of Zadok are mentioned, and their portion. Marking the fact that the sons of Zadok are amongst the mortal population.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

48:21 That the ‘residue’ is for the prince indicates, it seems to me, that there is a mortal prince. Jesus inherited the world. Psa 2:8 speaks of Jesus’ inheritance.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

V.35 The ESV says that: The circumference of the city shall be 18,000 cubits. But, given the other dimensions, such as the Holy Portion being 25,000 cubits long by 20,000 cubits wide, for example, the circumference is too small.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

v8 tells us the size of the sanctuary and that it is centred on Jerusalem. If we assume the 25,000 x 25,000 portion extends as far as it can, namely to the dead sea shores, we get an interesting outcome. The square is shown here with Jerusalem in the middle:

http://provelo.co.uk/images/Eze48_jerusalem.jpg

If we then take this width and offset it for each of the tribal portions, we get the following image (see the dotted lines). You will notice that it fits almost exactly to the Northern and Southern borders: Tyre at the North and the Great Sea at the South.

http://provelo.co.uk/images/Eze48_tribes.jpg

So we can see once again that the Bible is accurate and authoritative. This city can actually be physically built. When we take the time to work out seemingly irrelevant details like this, we can see that everything God tells us fits down to the last detail. Ezekiel didn't have access to Google Maps to be able to make up this prophecy; He was given it by God who measures the earth from above.

 


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Rob

48:8 Whilst ‘the sanctuary shall be in the midst of it’ is an actual description it speaks of a spiritual principle. God is at the centre of one’s life – or at least he should be.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - John  17 and 18
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18 v.38 - Truth is a 'John' word. Around half of the occurrences of the various forms of the Greek 'aletheia' are in John's writings. A study of the word truth would home in on his words. It seems that God used John to bring out a great reverence and respect for the idea of truth, and so it is here that these words of Pilate are recorded. We do well to dwell on the words of Jesus in v.37 which brought about this retort. These words are excellent meditation for us in considering the great act of love that Jesus performed for us.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

John 17 These  words, which actually are a prayer, were spoken by Jesus after he had left the upper room John 14:31 and before he arrived in the Kedron valley John 18:1.
A major focus Jesus has in this prayer is that the disciples would be united John 17:11,21,22,23. His words take on a really powerful sense of urgency against the background of the strife that there had been in the upper room only a short while earlier in the evening. Luke 22:24.
Disunity is probably the biggest problem that we ever have to deal with in our ecclesial life. It crops up time and time again and saps at our strength. But it is the most important thing to get right about our relationship with our brethren and sisters. Ephesians 4:13

18:6 In saying that those who came to take Jesus ' went backwards' the writer, by the spirit, is quoting Psalm 27:2 which speaks of the way in which the wicked behave before the righteous.

Disunity is probably the biggest problem that we ever have to deal with in our ecclesial life. It crops up time and time again and saps at our strength. But it is the most important thing to get right about our relationship with our brethren and sisters. Ephesians 4:13

18:6 In saying that those who came to take Jesus ' went backwards' the writer, by the spirit, is quoting Psalm 27:2 which speaks of the way in which the wicked behave before the righteous.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

17:17 It is most appropriate that the 'son of David' whilst praying here for the well being of the disciples - those who would make up the embryo of the 'house of David' - uses the words of David 'thy word is truth' (2 Samuel 7:28) from the narrative of the promise of the son who would have God as his father.

18:36 If only we could truly share Jesus' conviction that this world is not our home we would find life far easier. So often we compromise ourselves because we do not truly realise that we are strangers and pilgrims.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
One of the strongest themes that comes out of this prayer is the message of unity - God and Jesus are one. Jesus prays that his disciples will be one, and he prays that all believers will be one just as he an his father are one.
As believers, though, we are all different. We are as different as they come, and as humans we can be guaranteed to have serious differences of personality and ideas that throw us apart. So how can we be one? There is only one way and it comes from the fact that we have been grafted in to the family of God. The way I see it is that we are like the spokes on a wheel. God is at the center of our lives and we all revolve around him. Each spoke is different because it points in a different direction - but each spoke is also united by the fact that they all revolve around the center - God. Like the spokes of a wheel, we move around God in united vision and purpose. But if the center of our life is not God we will fall from the wheel of oneness and revolve around something else to travel in the wrong direction.
Make God the center of your life and be one with God, Jesus and all the believers throughout time.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert

17:9, 11 'whom thou hast given me' quotes Isaiah 8:18 which is also, in a more extended way, quoted in Hebrews 2:13.

18:36 In saying 'my kingdom is not of this world' Jesus is only presenting what he has said earlier in John 8:23. If we had to defend our position as consciences objectors would our life up to that point be consistent with the position we claim?


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

17:12 The word 'perdition' is the same as the word translated 'waste' (Matthew 26:8) where Judas complained about the 'waste' of the ointment used in anointing Jesus. So it was Judas, and not the ointment, that was wasted. Judas was 'wasted' because his heart was not right. Just like the unbelieving children of Israel whose carcasses were wasted in the wilderness  (Lev 14:33)

18:2 We may wonder how Judas knew where to go from the upper room to find Jesus. We might think that Jesus told him that they would be going to Gethsemane but here the indication is that Judas worked it out for himself. 


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter

18:5 I am he We  notice that John does not record the kissing episode with Judas, John shows that the kisses were unnecessary. What he shows is Jesus as the Prophet making himself known. In V.6 we see him as King of Kings and in V.7-8 as the sympathetic Highpriest, who lovingly provides for his own. As a result we have Jesus as Prophet, Priest, and King.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

18:3,4 Jesus' self-control was remarkable considering that He knew in advance what was going to happen to Him.  He knew the scriptures pertaining to events surrounding Him.  For example, the confrontation of Judas with the band of men had been described in Isa 50:11.  It is a good thing that we do not know the future events concerning ourselves.  Unlike Jesus, we do not have the character to handle it. 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

17:21 Isn’t it amazing! Jesus is telling us that unity amongst the believers will cause unbelievers to recognise that Jesus is the Messiah! We should remember this when we squabble about things

18:20 In saying that ‘in secret have I said nothing’ Jesus s continuing the way his Father worked – Isa 48:16. We might ask ourselves how often we do things in secret because we do not want people to know what we are doing.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
WORK TO GLORIFY GOD
 
In his prayer, Jesus said to his Father, "I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do." (John 17:4) If we are people who want to give glory to God in our own lives, then this is a marvellous example of how to do it. Jesus, above everyone else before and since, has given glory to God more perfectly and completely in his life of total obedience, when he completed the work that God gave him to do. He was given a work to do by God and he did it perfectly. But, we may wonder, what work have we been given?
 
Each of us has been given special talents appropriate for the work God has prepared for us to do. So one way of knowing what our work should be is by looking at the skills we have and using them to the glory of God. Another work we should be doing is to spread the word of God and the message of hope in Jesus Christ. We should also be loving God and our neighbours in practical ways that not only say love, but show it in our actions.
 
Whatever the work God has given us to do, let us, like Jesus, do it with all our heart and make sure we continue at it until our work is completed. In doing this we too will give glory to God.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Robert

17:3 The blessing that will come to those who ‘know’ God contrasts starkly with the end of those who do not know Him – 2Thess 1:8


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

18:18 The ‘saying’ was one which Jesus had spoken earlier that same evening –John 17:12


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

17:9,17,20 Jesus prays only for His disciples, and for subsequent believers of the true gospel. Those who have been called to the household of Jesus, are purified by the word of Yahweh (2Pet 1:10).

Yahweh has caused His Word to be written down as scripture, so that everyone can read it. If one claims to be a Christian, but has not followed the instructions found in the Word, then s/he is in delusion.

Jesus cares only for His own, and not for apostate Christians. There will be a shock, for some at the judgment when they are turned away (Matt 7:22,23).

And so, now is the time to be put right with Yahweh. The true gospel is the one taught by the apostles (Gal 1:9). The only source of its understanding is the Bible.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

 

18:6 Jesus shows that a true follower of His should be a peaceful person. Jesus had the fullness of the Holy Spirit (John 3:34). And yet, He did not use His power to defend Himself (Isa 53:7). He did, however, give a demonstration of His power when He moved His confronters back.

This display was designed for the disciples accompanying Him. Earlier, Jesus had requested that His disciples procure a sword (Luke 22:36-38). Obviously, Jesus did not need a sword to defend Him, seeing that He had divine power at His disposal.

Again, He was giving His disciples a lesson on how to behave as His non-violent followers. Jesus knew that Peter would try to defend Him. As predicted, Peter struck Malchus and cut off his ear. Divine guidance of the sword would not allow Peter to cave in the skull of Malchus. After the incident, Jesus healed the ear of Malchus (Luke 22:51).

Jesus demonstrated that He and His followers must be people of peace, and leave any retribution to Yahweh (Luke 22:36; Rom 12:19; Heb 12:14).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

17:15 Jacob, at the end of a life of difficulty, blessed the sons of Joseph with the words ‘ the angel which redeemed me from evil ...’ – Gen 48:16 – this is exactly what Jesus is praying for on behalf of his disciples. Not that they would not have problems but that they would be saved through those problems s was Jacob.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

God (lesson 7 of 20 from "Outline of Basic Bible Teachings" by Wes Booker)

I. Is it important to know God? John 17:3

II. One God - Deut 6:4;Isa 45:5

III. Immortal and unchanging - 1Tim 6:15-16;Psa 90:2;James 1:17;Mal 3:6

IV. Omnipotent (all-powerful) - Rev 19:6 (KJV); Jer 10:10-13;Isa 44:6-8

V. Omniscient (all-knowing) - Isa 46:9-10;Jer 1:5;Acts 15:18 (KJV)

VI. Omnipresent (present everywhere) - Psa 139:7-12;Jer 23:23-24;2Chron 16:9

VII. Loving and merciful - Lam 3:22-23;Eze 33:11;2Pet 3:9;Mic 7:18-20

VIII. Greater than Christ (Christ always subordinate to God) - John 14:28;5:26-27,30;1Tim 2:5;1Cor 15:24-28

IX. Wrested scriptures on the trinity -- A. John 10:30  (read verses 28-36) both have "sheep" in their hands. In this way they are one.  B. John 1:1  C. John 6:33,35 was the manna manufactured in heaven and sent to the wilderness each day for 40 years? Or...?  D. John 14:9 Jesus and God have the same qualities and attributes.


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Charles

The Lord Jesus Christ (lesson 18 0f 20 from "Outline of Basic Bible Teachings" by Wes Booker)

I. Is it important to understand everything we can about Jesus? John 17:3;Acts 4:8-12

II. His Nature - mortal, sinful - Heb 2:14-18;Heb 4:15;1John 4:2-3

III. His Character - sinless - 1Pet 2:21-25;2Cor 5:20-21;John 8:46

IV. His Sacrificial Death and Resurrection - Heb 5:7-9;9:24-28;1Cor 15:12-23;Matt 26:26-30

V. His Ascension and Present Work - Acts 1:9-11;1Tim 2:5;Heb 2:17-18;4:14-16

VI. His Second Coming - about 200 references in the New Testament alone - e.g. Luke 21:25-28;Matt 16:27;25:31-34;Rev 22:12,20

VII. His Kingship - Luke 1:31-35;John 18:33-37;Rev 11:15;19:11-16


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Charles

THE LOVE OF JESUS

 

How much do we really care about the people God has given us? Often we show we care in ways that make people feel happy, loved and appreciated. That might mean that we give them gifts, say nice things, spend time with them, do things for them or show our care in hugs, kisses or handshakes. All these things are great for people and show that we love them, but if our love does nothing to help those people toward God's kingdom, then are we really showing true love and care to them?

 

The love Jesus showed was not designed to make his disciples feel warm fuzzies but primarily his aim was to lead them tro God's kingdom. There was no doubt he loved them and gave them everything and every opportunity he could so that they could receive the greatest gift of all. He said of his disciples, "I have not lost one of those you gave me." (John 18:9)

 

So how much of the same love are we showing to our spouse, children, family and friends? Are we doing everything we can to make sure that they are in God's kingdom to share eternity with us? Are we able to say to God, as Jesus did, "I have not lost one of those you gave me."? Let's show the love of Jesus to those we love today.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Robert

 

17:5 This verse is often used to prove that Jesus was God.

Consider phrase talking about the glory Jesus had: with thee before the world was. Doesn’t that prove that Jesus was co-equal with God?

Let us examine the preposition with. In Greek, with is para, which can also be translated from. There are many places in the New Testament where this is so. For example, when Paul received his authority from the chief priests, that word translated from is para (Acts 9:14; 26:10,12).

And so, Jesus received His glory and authority from His Father. That glory and authority existed before the world was because God knows the end from the beginning of all things. But, the glory and the authority were only dispensed when Jesus, the man, was born.

17:21 Jesus is talking about God manifestation. Those accepted by Jesus at the judgment will become the Redeemed, who will be changed to be like Jesus Himself (1John 3:2). Then, God manifestation will occur between Yahweh, Jesus, and the Redeemed. After the Kingdom period is over, all will be manifest in Yahweh (1Cor 15:28).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

18:29-30 The discussion between the chief priests and Pilate would indicate that there had already been some sort of discussion and agreement. Pilate’s response which one would think would be quite normal in a court of law seems to surprise the chief priest. Rather than lay down the charge they, in surprise, come out with an amazing comment. They are, in effect saying ‘if he wasn’t guilty we would not have brought him to your court to be tried to find out whether he was guilty or not.’


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter