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| v.12
- We tend to use the word mirth in the context of laughter that degrades
another person. This is not its context in scripture. It describes a state
of righteous joy. The mirth here was as a result of their realisation of
their understanding (v.7,8).
See also
Psa.126:1-3 in this context. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| 8:9
The day was 'holy' because as it was the first day of the seventh month
Nehemiah
8:2 it was the day of the 'blowing of trumpets' Leviticus
23:24. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.5-8
- There is a great responsibility placed on those with positions in the
ecclesia that they might exhibit the qualities of the faithful and so encourage
by example in their leadership. This is the very best way to be a servant
as Jesus was. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 8:14-15
Given that Jerusalem had been destroyed by the Babylonians and the passage
of time so that the temple and the walls of the city were destroyed we can
conclude that the houses were also damaged. However the people were willing
to suffer the privations of living in booths because of the requirements
of the law. Maybe they might have reasoned that they were suffering enough
having to rebuild their houses and so observing the feast of tabernacles
would not matter that year. But no, they still kept the feast. How do we
feel when life is not going as smooth as we would like it? Do things of
the gospel take second place? When time is short do we miss the readings,
for example? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| READING
THE WORD OF GOD There are several lessons we can gain out of reading God's word from the example of Ezra in this chapter. 1. Ezra read the law aloud for all the people who were able to understand - men, women and children. It was read for all who could hear - and all need to hear. We must not be discriminate about who we let hear the word of God. 2. The people listened attentively. We to must pay close attention when we hear or read God's word. 3. As Ezra read the book all the people stood up. We too must have a great respect for the word of God that he has been good enough to give us. 4. Ezra praised the LORD. All the people echoed his praise by saying "Amen." They bowed their faces to the ground and worshipped. Let your reading, hearing and understanding be accompanied by praise and worship. It helps us to be receptive to his word and to respect and appreciate it. 5. They read from the law making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people could understand what was being read. Read the word - not just for the reading - but especially for the understanding. The people mourned and wept when they heard the Law. Let the word of God affect your life. Let it change, mould and direct you. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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| The
mention of Ezra (8:2,
9 etc:) along with Nehemiah (:9)
demonstrates that Ezra's work was long and ongoing. He had come up with
the first wave of returning captivities some 16 or more years earlier. Herein
is a lesson in continuing faithfulness. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| NEH.8. Twice in this chapter the “seventh month” is mentioned. (v2,14) The seventh month was the most important month in the Jewish calendar. As we read through this chapter we can see the various feasts. v2 The feast of trumpets. v12 The day of atonement. v15 The feast of tabernacles John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| 8:17-18 Even though the enemy were round about Jerusalem the religious feast of Tabernacles caused "great gladness". In this it is like the days of Jehoshaphat when a religious revival was the means whereby the enemy were defeated Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| There’s a verse in today’s chapter which is a good example of how we should read. Whether it’s on behalf of a Sunday congregation, or at home, privately one night in the week, Neh 8:8 tells us what we should achieve when we read God’s law. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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| V.3 "all the people were attentive unto the book of the law" They gave thenselves fully to hearing the message. This is something that we need today, as never before. "he that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith". John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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Vs.14-17 Succot is the feast of booths which Moses commanded the Children of Israel to keep (Lev 23:39-43). The returning Jews were taught of this feast by Ezra. This would be the first time in over 900 years that Jews had kept this feast. Kings who shunned idolatry in favor of worshipping Yahweh, such as Asa or Josiah, can be described as good. And yet there must have been gaps in their adherence to the Law such as keeping the feast of Succot. Today, some Jews erect simple booths on their properties for Succot. However, if anyone spends time in a booth, it is usually the children who might occupy it for a night as a novelty. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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8:5 The register that was found was what we know as Ezra 2 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| In both the 2nd and 8th verses, there is emphasis placed not only on the reading, but the understanding of the Law. The reading would have been in Hebrew. After spending seventy years in captivity, it is understandable that many would not be able to understand what was being said. The Levites would have not only expounded what was being read, but in many cases would have had to translate what was being read. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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8:3 Notice here and also ::5,9,12,17 the emphasis. All the people were involved. It was not a matter of those who could be bothered turned out to listen. Everyone was there. Challenging isn’t it? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 8:2 The fact that children were not present at the solemn assembly suggests it was not the year of release, when children would have been present. (Deut 31:9-13) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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8:4 The way in which others stood on the pulpit with Nehemiah wasn’t just that they wanted to be seen but rather that their presence indicated that the initiative of Nehemiah had the full support of the rulers in Jerusalem. It would have been quite easy for them to simply say quietly that they agreed but their presence confirmed that Nehemiah was not alone in the ideas. Likewise we can show our solidarity behind an idea by being there when necessary. It is not really good enough to say the words but then not be seen. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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V.2 Yahweh has produced His Word, in written form, so that people might understand what He requires. But, only those who are able to understand His Word can comply. Those without understanding are not responsible, and therefore cannot be brought into judgment. Ezra explained the Law just to those who were able to understand. Therefore, young children would not have been present at the assembly. Knowledge still brings responsibility today. Those who wish to attain salvation must understand the gospel, (the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the Name of Jesus Christ), and then be baptized into Jesus’ saving Name (Acts 8:12). This scriptural truth makes a mockery of infant baptism, which is practised by Christendom. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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8:1‘all the people’ and ‘as one man’ emphasise the unity of the inhabitants of Jerusalem at this time. It is rather like the way in which the believers are described in the early chapters of Acts – Acts 4:24 , 5:12 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.2 The feast of trumpets was on the first day of the seventh month, under the Law (Lev 23:24). Vs.2,14 The seventh month was Ethanim which was called Tisri after the exile (1Kin 8:2). Vs.7,8 These people would translate what Ezra said in Hebrew into the common Aramaic that the captives had used in Babylon. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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8:6 Isn’t it interesting that Nehemiah ‘blessed the Lord’ when he had opened the book of the law. Do we thank God and ascribe praise to Him for providing us with his word? Or do we simply view it as another religious text? Isaiah describes the attitude of those who please God Isa 66:5 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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Neh 7:73;8:2,14,18 - seventh or seven perhaps suggests spiritual perfection and possibly the millenial day of rest; the first day of the seventh month was the first day of the Jewish civil year. Neh 8:1 - "...all the people gathered themselves together as one man..." this perhaps suggests the idea of spiritual unity or oneness of mind (John 17:21-23); "water gate" perhaps reminds us of baptism washing away sin and being buried with Christ the door to eternal life (Mark 16:16;John 3:5;10:9). Neh 8:2,8 - this perhaps reminds us of how Christ fulfilled the law making it clear with his sacrifice and to be more so when the law goes forth from Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem (Matt 5:17-18;Isa 2:2-3); V.2- the law (like Christ) was preserved and only those teachable and able to understand heard the life saving words. Neh 8:4-5 - perhaps this reminds us of another priest set high on a wooden pulpit between those on his right and left. Neh 8:9,11,12 - Nehemiah, the cup bearer governor, and Ezra the priest together perhaps echo Christ's role as cup bearer, priest and king - there will be mourning, remorse and rejoicing on the sacred day when Christ reveals himself to his brethren (Zech 12:10;Zech 13:6;Zech 14:8,9,11). Neh 8:10 - the poor get fed also (2Cor 8:2;Matt 5:3;1Cor 11:23-25). Neh 8:15-16 - preaching, gathering, wood, water, gate (Luke 10:1-9;John 15:1-2). Neh 8:14,17 - the feast of tabernacles will be celebrated when Christ returns (Zech 14:16) and represent the deliverance from Egypt (perhaps suggests a greater deliverance and freeing of bondage to sin and death); V.17 very great gladness perhaps foreshadows the joy when Christ returns. Neh 8:18 - the eighth day reminds me how after the millenial seventh day of rest Christ turns the kingdom/assembly over to his Father having done away with sin and death (1Cor 15:24-28). Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Charles |
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| v.3
- This is where addiction to vice of any sort leads people - to sell even
that which is dear to them and to turn to crime to feed their habit. This
is not just a twentieth century problem! Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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3:2
I will gather all nations Zechariah 14:2 3:17 no stranger pass through ... Ezekiel 44:9 we see that the wonderful time which Ezekiel speaks of when the temple will be built at Jerusalem and the city and temple will be clean and not polluted is to follow the destruction associated with he removal of the Northern army who is spoken of in Joel 2:20. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.9-11
- Here we are reminded that we are not pacifists. We need to get this straight.
We must be ready to fight if God should say the word. There is much evil
to be overcome. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 3:18
The association of a time of plenty is seen also in Amos
9:13 - as we saw in Joel
2:24 with 'a fountain
' which is for 'uncleanness' (Zechariah
13:1) shows that the time when Israel is spiritually regenerated will
be the time when the earth will be blessed. One cannot have one without
the other. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| THE
LAST BATTLE Take Note! This will be the time just before the Lord Jesus Christ is revealed. This could be your last warning before it is too late. When you see the things prophesied in this chapter happening - whether you agree with the actions that the nations take or not - know this, that these are the last moments of the word systems as we know them. Huge changes are about to happen. So what are the things to watch for? It will be when the nations (the whole world) prepares for war. They will quickly assemble from all over the world to go into the valley of Jehosophat, just outside Jerusalem, in Israel. Multitudes of people will be gathered there against Jerusalem. When you see these things come to pass then know that the time has come when God will directly intervene against them and the battle by the nations will be lost. After that will come the new time when God will renew the world and be at one with his people in peace, plenty and love for ever and ever. The lesson for us is that we must be prepared. If you leave it until then it may be too late. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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| 3:18
At this time of blessing which is described in the latter part of this chapter
we see a reversal of the punishment (1:12)
where the vine was to fail. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 3:16 Notice the continuity between Joel and Amos 1:2 'The Lord will roar out of Zion'. We should be looking for more verbal links between the two prophets. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.9 The nations hostile to Israel are summoned by the God of Israel to "come up" ( because Jerusalem was on a hill) against Jerusalem, not that they may destroy it, but to be destroyed by the Lord. Eze 38:7-23, Zech 12:2-9, Zech 14:2-3 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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Vs.2,12 This chapter is prophetical of Yahweh's reckonings with various nations in intervening history. But this chapter also contains Yahweh's great reckoning with Gog when Jesus returns to liberate Israel (cf. Eze 38:19-23 ).The valley of Jehoshaphat is mentioned as the location for this confrontation. Jehoshaphat means Yahweh judged. The valley of Jehoshaphat refers to the Kidron Valley which lies between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives. The Kidron valley was a dumping ground for articles that were unacceptable to Yahweh (e.g. 1Kin 15:13; 2Kin 23:6,12). And so it will be for those nations that come up against Jerusalem. They shall be destroyed by Jesus and the Redeemed (Zech 14:2-4). After Jerusalem has been liberated, Jesus and His immortalized saints will cleanse the remainder of the land of Israel from the invaders. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| There’s a wonderful picture of the peace of the kingdom in Joel 3:17. No strangers will pass through Jerusalem any more. This surely means that when Jesus is king over the world, the people who come to worship Him will all take His religion, and His authority. There won’t be any strangers, or aliens, left in the world. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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3:10 In encouraging the people to make weapons of war from their farm implements Joel contrasts with Isa 2:4 and Mic 4:3 who were contemporary prophets. There is no contradiction Those prophets were speaking of a future time. Joel is warning that time is not yet here. It is not present in the days of those prophets because of the sinfulness of the people. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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3:13 ‘put ye in the sickle for the harvest is ripe’ is quoted – Rev 14:15 – showing that Joel has a fulfilment after the days of Joel. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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3:15-16 Notice the contrast. The sun and moon will be dark but the Lord will ‘roar out of Zion’. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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V.10 Compare this call for war with its antithesis, a call for peace as the Kingdom Age begins (Isa 2:4). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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3:10 The ‘fountain’ is the living water that will spring from Jerusalem – Zech 14:8 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.14 The valley of decision is synonymous with the valley of Jehoshaphat. V.15 The political powers will be dismayed with the destruction of the invading nations that come against Israel. V.18 There will be abundance in the Kingdom (See Amos 9:13). The valley of Shittim is probably referring to the Jordan valley in which water shall flow through the Dead Sea to the Red Sea. The Dead Sea shall be healed and in it fish will be abundant (Eze 47:8-10; Zech 14:8). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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Where is the valley of Jehoshaphat mentioned in v12? There's no such place on any map! v14 also calls it the valley of decision, and that's on no map either. So where is it, and why is it named after Jehoshaphat? Jehoshaphat was a king of Judah who led Israel out to battle against an enormous army. This army was made up of Judah's brothers, descendants of Esau and Lot, who wanted to wipe Judah off the map and take her territory to themselves. Sound familiar? The account is in 2Chron 20. This battle was almost unique in the history of Israel, because the people took no active part in it. God confused the armies and they slew each other. Jehoshaphat led the people in putting their trust in God, as is also the case in Joel 3:16 "the LORD will be a shelter for His people". So we can see a further link to Jehoshaphat, since the Joel battle will be won in the same way. Also in both passages the invading armies are described as multitudes. As to where it is, we can find this out simply by looking at where this previous battle was fought. In 2Chron 20:2 we see that the armies were assembled at En Gedi. Jehoshaphat went out to battle with them in the Wilderness of Tekoa (v20), and when they came to a place overlooking the wilderness, there they saw all the dead bodies lying on the ground (v24). Note this only took a day, because of the reference "they rose early in the morning" in v20, so we must still be near to Jerusalem. If we type in En Gedi, Tekoa and Jerusalem into Google maps, or look on a map of Israel, we can see that these places are still there now, and follow the line of a road between Jerusalem and En Gedi at the Dead Sea. This must have been the path Jehoshaphat took. According to the website the route takes 4.5 hours walking from Jerusalem to Tekoa. A little further on and there is a view down into the plains of the dead sea, where they saw "multitudes" of slain soldiers. Somewhere in that view towards En-Gedi is the valley of Jehoshaphat where God will judge the nations. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Rob |
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3:18 Joel in seeing these waters is seeing before Ezekiel did God’s provision for the Jews in the millennium – Eze 47:1 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| v.3
- The concept that God will keep us from evil is quite wide throughout scripture.
Jacob in Gen.48:16
refers to the Angel that kept him from evil. This is a hard concept to grasp
when we know that by our own free will we can do evil at any time. Nevertheless,
to resist it requires God's help, and He will add his help to our willingness
to try. 1Chron.4:10,
Psa.19:13, 121:7, Matt.6:13, John 17:15, 2Tim.4:18, 2Pet.2:9, Jude v.24. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| 3:6
'Withdraw ...' is not a licence to abandon problems in the ecclesia. The
framework within which withdrawal is advocated here is clear. Withdraw from
all that 'walk disorderly'. The nature of disorderly walk in Thessalonica
is clearly specified in the following verses. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| 3:3
Keep you from evil echoes the words of Jesus (John
17:15) when he prayed for his disciples. - another quotation from the
gospel writers. - We noticed one in 1 Thessalonians 5. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :14
That the disorderly brother should be 'ashamed' indicates that the brother
was still in contact with the brethren and sisters even though he may have
been withdrawn from. Notice also the objective is his restoration, not his
destruction. He could only be 'ashamed' if he could see what his brethren
and sisters were doing. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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chapter demonstrates once again how important the context is.
If we take verse 6 on its own, we would withdraw from anyone who is disorderly, or doesn't hold to traditions. If we take it in context, however, we find that Paul is speaking specifically of those who don't work for their daily bread. (vs 8, 10-12). Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Rob |
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| 3:10 Some might be troubled by 'if any would not work, neither should he eat' in these times of high and at times permanent unemployment. However Paul is reproving those who had chosen a life of idleness on the basis that Christ will return soon. He is not speaking of those who would work if they had the opportunity. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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V.7-8 Not only was the disorderly conduct contrary to the directions which had been delivered to the Thessalonians, both orally and in letters, it was also in conflict with the example that had been left for them. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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V.6 When Paul talked about brethren who walked disorderly he is talking about those who wilfully refused to work to support themselves. These idle brethren (disorderly means idle from the Gr. ataktos) were not following the tradition (the precepts taught by the apostles concerning self-sufficiency) .Paul cites his own sense of industry, as a living example, because he continued to work to support himself (v.7; Acts 18:1-3). Paul still worked although he could have legitimately claimed support from others because he was an apostle doing the work of Yahweh (vs. 8,9). On top of their unwillingness to work, these idle brethren had become busybodies (v.11). Busybodies have nothing better to do than to go around gossiping and causing trouble (1Tim 5:13). This behavior is contrary to the Christ-like edification that brethren ought to have for each other (Rom 14:19). Paul's corrective solution for these idle busybodies is that they should be shunned in order that they might realize that their behavior is inappropriate for a follower of Christ (vs. 6,14). But the warning to that idle brother should be made in the right spirit of brotherly love and not in heavy-handed self-righteousness (v.15). That way, he is more likely to reflect on his error and correct it. Some, today, might be tempted to use the verses from this chapter, in a brusque manner, to withdraw from anybody they deem to be walking disorderly (breaking whatever rules). However, the scripture does not support that kind of excommunication, either in its meaning or in its intent. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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3:5 Patient waiting is required because it is so easy to become despondent when our expectations are not fulfilled immediately. We must realise that the lord will return in his own good time. We must not faint in our waiting. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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3:6 We can conclude that ‘disorderly’ walk is seen when a brother or sister does not work to sustain themselves when they can as Paul explains in the next couple of verses that by contrast to disorderly walk he ‘wrought with labour night and day that (he) might not be chargeable to any’. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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3:8 The labouring with his own hands of which Paul speaks is something he said to them in 1Thess 2:9 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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3:8 The labouring with his own hands of which Paul speaks is something he said to them in 1Thess 2:9 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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3:7-8 It is evident that Paul, by appealing to the fact that he worked whilst he was in Thessalonica and was not ‘disorderly’ that disorderly walk is seen in one who chooses not to work and provide for his own. Of course this is different from the person who would work if they could but are unable due to circumstances to work. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.2 These wicked men (KJV) were Jews who opposed themselves (Acts 18:6). We are reminded by Paul how to approach those who oppose themselves: And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves (2Tim 2:24,25). Vs.6,11 Disorderly (KJV) has to do with idleness (ESV). Someone who is idle tends to be a gossip and a busybody (1Tim 5:13). V.14 What was written in this epistle was part of the tradition mentioned in v.6. The word ashamed implies an introspective look at oneself. V.17 Paul probably had his letters written by a companion, but he always signed them himself (See 1Cor 16:21; Col 4:18). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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3:13 Well doing is not a natural activity for we who are sons of Adam. So we might be moved from time to time – maybe when it is convenient to us – to practice ‘well doing’. However the gospel requires that this attitude be present all the time, not just when it is convenient to us. After all an act of kindness is not a sacrifice unless it has cost us something – 2Sam 24:24 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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