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| 30:1
- It seems that we are being given an insight here into the changes that
are taking place in Job's own attitudes by virtue of having the tables reversed
on him. Wisdom obtains only from these situations of chastening. We should
pray for wisdom (James1:5)
but we should steel ourselves against the possibility that the answer to
our prayer might be very hard to bear. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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ch.29
- Job continues ch.30
- Job continues Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| ch.29
shows us just what a marked contrast there is between Job's former position
and his current one. The implication here is that he feels God has deserted
him, as in v.5 he describes the former years of plenty as when the Almighty
was yet with him, and yet we know that God never forsakes us. Whatever happens
to us in our lives, we must never forget that. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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29:1 In using the word 'parable' as in 27:1 we see a shift in Job's approach. 30:1 Is Job's comment about age a comment on the three friends - or maybe a rejoinder to prevent Elihu joining in the debate? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| Paul
says that the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. (1
Timothy 6 v 10). It is not the money its self that is evil, but the
love of it. For many people their money and possessions help to make them
selfish, self centered and greedy. It turns them away from God, for they
seem to have no need of him any more because they put their trust in riches
instead. It is not a sin to be rich, but it can be a temptation. What really matters is what we do with the riches that we have and whether we let them become a temptation, or we use them for the greater good. Job was the greatest man among all the people of the east. (Job 1 v 3). He was very rich and yet Job's riches did not go to his head. His money was not a snare to him. He saw it as something given to him by God (Job 2 v 10), to be used in the service of others. He used his riches, power and position to help those who were less well off than himself. He said, "I rescued the poor who cried for help, and the fatherless who had none to assist him." Let us make sure that we use the gifts God has given us to help others of God's people who are not so well off as ourselves. Let's use our riches wisely. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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29:2 So is Job now seeing his fate as an indication that God was no longer 'preserving' him? As previously mentioned we must take care not to presume that God is only taking care of us when things are going well. He always cares for His children, ordering things in their lives for their eternal well being even though at the time they may not be pleasant (Hebrews 12:11) 30:9 In seeing himself as the 'song' and 'byword' Job seems to have a 'persecution complex' and all this because of the friends who had come to help! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| GOD'S INTIMATE FRIENDSHIP If there was one relationship that would be good to develop in this life, it would be the friendship that Job describes as having with his God. Looking back on the past he says, "Oh, for the days when I was in my prime, when God's intimate friendship blessed my house." (Job 29:4) The relationship Job describes as having with God is one of intimate friendship. Think about the people you know for a moment. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people we know by sight, and possibly even by name. There are fewer people with whom we exchange greetings, talk about the weather or work. Then there will be a number of people, a much smaller number, with whom we can regularly hold a conversation on things that are important to us and even share feelings with. But intimate friendship is something reserved for only the most special friends. Often there will only be one - a brother or a sister, husband or wife - but sometimes we could have a few. Intimate friends are the ones we can trust, the ones with whom we share our inmost selves, knowing that we will not be betrayed. If we picture the intimate friendships in our lives, we will know what to aim for in that same intimate friendship with God. Let's begin to develop that intimate friendship with God today, in prayer and through listening to him. Let's build our most intimate friendship with God. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Robert |
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| PAINFUL TRIALS If we read no more than this chapter from Job, we would be left wondering where the justice was and why God would ignore such a man as Job. Why did God bring about all these horrible circumstances in Job's life - or at least, why did he allow them to happen to Job, who gives every appearance of being a good man? There come times in our own lives when we could all make speeches like this. For most of us, our worries and trials are nothing compared to Job's, but when they happen it seems as if the whole world is collapsing around our ears. Everything goes wrong. It seems as if everyone is against us. The same questions run through our minds as they did through Job's: Have we sinned? What have we done wrong? Why has God turned against us? Is this the end? And will we be able to cope with any more if this trial continues? As far as Job goes, if we care to read the next twelve chapters, our perspective is put into place and we are able to understand his trials. But with our own lives we are not yet able to read the final chapters. However we do know this, that God will come through for us if we are faithful to him. It may be now, or it may be at the resurrection. Things may be dark, but God is faithful and will not try us more than we are able to bear. He will come through in the end. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Robert |
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| Can I suggest that Job was wrong in Job 29:5, where he speaks of God being with him in former days? His mistake is implying that God is not with him now, now that he's suffering. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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| 30:25-26 Was it not natural for a man so utterly ruined to stretch out his hand and cry for help? Had not he in the past extended to others the compassion and tenderness he now asked for himself? As a result, he anticipated good, but evil came. He looked for light, but darkness unexpectedly befell him. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| Job has lost his family, his property, his wealth. And on top of this, he has been afflicted with a horrible disease. However, what bothers him the most is his fall from a respected individual to someone of total disdain. He fiercely maintains his integrity (27:5), and yet those around consider him the lowest of the low. Such is the root of his bitter disappointment. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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29:8 So Job has lost the respect of all around him. 30:19-23 The repeated ‘thou’ in these verses contain a rather direct criticism of God who is being presented as the source of all his troubles. Whilst indeed the troubles were provoked by God their purpose had not been recognised by Job. Hence the invective. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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30:1-9 Having denigrated his friends Job observes that all they are doing s deriding him. But they thought that they were helping him! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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We see Job's ironic reversal of fortune. Formerly, as he says: I was like one who comforts mourners (29:25). Now, as one in need of relief from suffering, his friends did not come through for him: miserable comforters are you all! (16:2). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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29:12-16 Here Job, echoing the first words of Eliphaz – Job 4:3-4 and rebutting his words - Job 22:5-9 – speaks of his former years as if doing good brought blessings. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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DRESSING ROOM We all get dressed before we go out in public. Most people take thought as to what they look like, whether they are suitably dressed, colour co-ordinated or in fashion. But when we go out, I wonder how much thought we take to get dressed spiritually. Job said, "I put on righteousness as my clothing; justice was my robe and turban." (Job 29:14) It is easy to put on clothes and to think about them, but it is much harder to prepare our attitudes before we go out. We just don't even think about our attitudes! Job did. We need to follow his example. When Paul wrote to the Colossians he said, "Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience ... and over all these virtues put on love, which binds hem all together in perfect unity." (Col 3:12,14) So before we get out of bed, go out of the house, enter our workplaces, go shopping, to school, or whatever we do, let's make sure that along with our shirts, skirts and pants, we put on the right attitudes to be truly godly people. Let's not just dress outwardly but make a point of dressing our way of life. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Robert |
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PREJUDICE I recently heard the story of some young Christian men who wanted to reach out to the homeless people in their area. They decided that the best way to do this was to experience what homeless people went thought in order to feel the way they felt and to understand their needs better. So for a period of months, these men, who were very well respected, lived on the streets. It didn't take them long to become smelly, scruffy and dirty. Where people once smiled at them and spoke to them, they now avoided them. The men discovered that because of their appearance and lifestyle, people no longer trusted or respected them. It was like a kind of racism shown against the homeless by the rest of society. Job, one of the richest and most respected people in his day found the same. Speaking about the young men in his world, he said, "Now that God has unstrung my bow and afflicted me, they throw off all restraint in my presence." (Job 30:11) Because his circumstances had changed, attitudes toward him had changed. The lesson for us is that we must not judge people because of their circumstances. Both Job and the young men we spoke of were people with godly hearts full of love yet were rejected because of their circumstances. Let's not judge by what we see, but treat all people with the same love with which we have been treated by God. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Robert |
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Job lived in an agrarian society, and, thus, uses pastoral figures as he reminisces about bountiful past experiences. 29:6 washed my steps with butter: The Hebrew word for butter is chemah which really means curdled (churned) milk, i.e. cream. The rock poured me out rivers of oil: the choicest olive oil was found in rocky areas. And so, Job was saying that wherever he went the richest milk (cream) and oil flowed. In other words, Job was blessed with abundant riches.29:17 Job is using another rural example. A beast of prey would sometimes snatch a sheep or a goat in its jaws, from the pen, and run away. The shepherd would hunt and catch the beast, break its jaws and deliver the sheep or goat to safety. Job is using this analogy to show that when he took his (judicial) seat in the city (29:7), he would dispense justice on the wicked who had victimized the innocent. 30:1 Job has fallen from greatness to become the laughingstock of the outcasts of society. These poor, uneducated people would forage the desert for food. Mallows (KJV) are saltwort plants that were picked and eaten as a salad. The juniper (KJV) is alternatively known as the broom. It has roots which are edible but which are bitter. Such was the diet of these unfortunates. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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29:3 Walking in Light is a Biblical metaphor which we come across often in the New Testament – for example Eph 5:8 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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30:9 Whilst we might see Job’s problems as simply this sever illness it is clear from this, and earlier comments from Job, that his standing in society had been severely affected by his illness and problems. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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v.4 talks of the angel that spoke with him (also referred to in 1:9,19-21
5:5,6,10) and then v.9
says that the word of the Lord came to him. Were these one and the same
thing, or were they completely separate experiences? Any comments? Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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6:2
red horse Revelation 6:4 The way in which the horses of Zechariah are used in Revelation 6 shows that judgment is associated with the coming of the horses. 6:7 The phrase 'to and fro in the earth' is a refrain in Zechariah. Zechariah 1:10,11 4:10 6:7 and reflects the sentiments of Hanani in the days of Asa 2 Chronicles 16:9 who was reproving the king for relying on the king of Syria. 6:13 'priest ... throne' shows that the one who is spoken of is to be a priest king. That is a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek Chapter
7 is the third prophecy 7:3 - 5 'fifth month' See Jeremiah 52:12 The fifth month was when the house of the Lord and the king's house were burned. The prophet is commenting on the fact that Israel fasted to commemorate this event - and others - during the 70 years captivity. However it was not to Yahweh that they fasted. They did it Zechariah 7:6 'for yourselves'. This appearance of penitence / worship being a sham is not unique. See:- Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| 7:6
gives us a moment of serious thought. To whom do we eat? Do we do all to
the glory of God? or is it simply for our own pleasure? The food we have
is provided at the hand of God and the strength we get from it should be
donated to His service. Our lives depend on Him and should be given back
to Him in every way. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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6:12 The 'BRANCH' quotes Jeremiah 23:5 33:15 so who did the people in Zechariah's day think the BRANCH was? Would they think it was Joshua or Zerubbabel? 7:5 The slaying of Gedeliah in the seventh month is the basis for the fast in the seventh month spoken of here. Whilst we might think that the fast was the day of atonement which occurred in the seventh month I feel that this is not the fast referred to because of the mention of 70 years in Zechariah 7:5. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| CELEBRATIONS We live in a world of parties where any excuse is a good excuse to celebrate. It doesn't seem to matter what the occasion - birthdays, weddings, moving house, anniversaries, graduations, promotions, holidays or national events, they are all seen as a reason to party. Yet the parties are all very much self centered (even those that are attended by only believers). We eat, drink and socialise, we listen to music and give gifts, but in all that, precious little time is given to the reason the celebration is possible at all - the Lord our God. So here is where we need to change our perspective on parties and celebration. We need to put the focus on God and give Him the thanks and praise for the blessings he has showered down upon us. After all, the word "Holiday" comes from "Holy days", the time to celebrate God. Now let us answer for ourselves the questions God asked of Israel through Zechariah. "When you fasted and mourned ..., was it really for me that you fasted? And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves?" Change now and make your next party a celebration for God! Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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6:15 The promise that 'they that are far off' would come and build the temple might well have been seen by the returning exiles as an indication that other scattered sons of Jacob - maybe those who were taken to Assyria - would come and help with the rebuilding of the temple. In reality it is a promise of the involvement of the gentiles in the kingdom age. ch. 7 Despite the enthusiasm of the return there was soon a slipping away to lax behaviour. Hence Zechariah (7:9-10) reproves the people, even though he has previously given them encouragement. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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THAN RITUAL It is easy to get stuck in a rut of having and doing religious observances rather than living by the spirit of the law. There are many people who even rebel against that show of religion and refuse to call themselves "religious" even though they are dedicated to the Lord with all their hearts. They cannot bear to be known as someone whose religious acts outweighs their conviction. Israel had become "religious" in that way in the time of Zechariah. They did all the things it looked like they were supposed to do. They fasted, feasted, offered offerings, and kept special days but their hearts were not with God. They thought they could please him in their actions while in their hearts they still did their own thing. But God says he is not interested in fasting and religious acts. What he wants instead is true devotion to him. In Zechariah 7 he lists eight actions, that if we do them with the right spirit, could change our lives. (Zechariah 7 v 8 - 10) Administer true justice Show mercy Show compassion to one another Do not oppress the widow Do not oppress the fatherless Do not oppress the alien Do not oppress the poor In your hearts do not think evil of each other Serving God is much more than just a ritual, it is a way of life. It is more than just something to do on Sunday morning, it is living every day, hour and minute in love. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Robert |
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Zech 6:9. The night visions are now complete, the following morning the LORD spake unto Zechariah giving him instructions to accept gifts offered by certain of the exiles from Babylon and take them to witness the coronation of Joshua the high priest who is a type of Christ. The visions had pointed to the future glory, now the prophet is called to enact the type of person in whom the glory would be revealed. Zech 7:1. After a period of almost two years the prophet once again hears from God. During this period Ezra fills us in on what Zechariah would have been doing. In Ezra 6:14 we are told that the elders of the Jews builded, and prospered through the prophesying of Haggai and Zechariah. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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6:15 'those that are afar off' who would be involved in building the temple may well have been thought of as being the Jews who were still in Babylon though Isaiah (60:10) had spoken of gentiles being involved in building the walls. So maybe we have reference to the call of the gentiles here in Zechariah 6. 7 We noticed (notes on chapter 1) that there is a division between chapters 6 and 7. From now on we do not get visions but rather we see God speaking 7:1 The word of the Lord came Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 7:14 It was their Heavenly Father who scattered them, not the Babylonians. They were the means by which His purpose was accomplished. They were scattered for a purpose, that the chaff might be destroyed, and the grain retained. Amos makes the same point. Amos 9:9 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| In Rev. I think the word of the Lord came to John from his angel and they were one and the same. Probably no way to prove it, but I believe the 'comforter' Jesus would give his disciples was his angel that he sent to help them recall and write the gospels and the book of Revelation. They might not have seen the angel, but would hear the words in their minds and hearts. Perhaps also the same angel that released Peter from prison. Heb 1:1 helps me. God spoke - in every manner and in all ways - I also like 1Sam 3:19-21 where the LORD was with Samuel- and the LORD revealed himself by his words and Samuel's words were declared throughout all Israel. In some way, God spoke to Samuel through his angel, and Samuel spoke to the people. The same pattern is found in the NT. passages such as 'morning by morning he wakened my ear', speak of the Father speaking to his son who then spoke his Father's words to others. Jean Cheetham [Moorestown New Jersey (US)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Jean |
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| 6:1-8 While this vision relates to the future, it also had a message of encouragement for those days. Zerubbable and Joshua, with Haggai and Zechariah were called upon to do the work of God in the face of discouragement and great opposition, which were as mountains of difficulties threatening to destroy the work attempted. This vision reminded them that the work they were doing was a work from God, and that every difficulty would be overcome and truth would triumph in the land. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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Again, care should be taken not to jump at references which appear to be the same. Zechariah's vision of four chariots being pulled by red horses, black horses, white horses, and dappled horses, seem similar to the four horses of Revelation (Rev 6:1-8). However, there are differences. Zechariah's vision is of chariots being pulled by multiple horses being dispersed to their duties at the same time. John's vision in Revelation is of single horses being revealed in historical sequence as each seal (time period) is unveiled. Zechariah's vision portends the LORD's judgement on the world (Gentile nations), with particular emphasis on the north country), where two chariots, pulled by black and white horses, are sent (6:6). One chariot indicates the destruction of Babylon, while the other denotes Medo-Persia. The grizzled (dappled) horses heading south indicate vengeance on Egypt. However, the red horses would seem to indicate the overthrow of the Assyrians by the Babylonians (6:2). John's vision, on the other hand, reveals the conditions under several Caesars subsequent to the first century. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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a) The last of the visions is in Zech 6:1-8. Different coloured horses drawing chariots came from between brass mountains. Brass is probably connected with the brass of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream (Dan 2:39), and represented the next power of Greece. It takes the vision firmly into the local era of Zechariah, and encourages the returned Jews by saying that God will preserve them through the days of this next world power. Of-course, looking into the future, this vision speaks of God’s Kingdom, and the “North country” of Zech 6:8 probably means the Gog and Magog power.
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6:3 Whatever, historically, the four chariots with their horses represent they clearly are God at work. They are seen ‘standing before the Lord of all the earth’. As such they are examples of His ‘ministering spirits’ – Psa 104:4. 7:5 So Zechariah now is moved to comment on the behaviour of Israel whilst in Babylon. Hey kept feasts and mourned – but in reality is was not mourning before God. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| CELEBRATIONS As Christmas and the New Year approach, the reading of Zechariah 7 is appropriate, reminding us of the reason for and attitude we should be showing in any celebrations we take part in. The word of the LORD came to Zechariah asking the people and priests this question: "When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves?" (Zech 7:5-6) Let's ask ourselves the same question about Christmas or Hanukkah and New Year. When we are eating, drinking and celebrating, are we doing it for God or for ourselves? Israel were severely reprimanded for leaving God out of their celebrations and fasts, but do we do the same thing? In order to avoid this condemnation, some people choose not to celebrate at all. Others change the focus from "Christmas" to a time of Family. But if we do choose this time to celebrate, for whatever reason, let's invite God and Jesus to our celebrations. Let's make it a time when we can pray together as a family, where we can thank God for his salvation to us and his blessings over the past year, where we use our talents to sing, make music and praise in an uninterrupted and joyful atmosphere. And especially let's use the opportunity to think the best of each other, to show justice, mercy and compassion. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Robert |
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6:11 In putting crowns on the head of the high priest we see an activity which must have confused the people. Joshua was not of the tribe of Judah, he was of Levi. So he would not have been seen as in line for kingship. However here we have a subtle prophecy of the future work of Messiah – the king priest that Jesus is to be n the kingdom. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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Joshua was crowned at the inauguration of the re-built temple (6:11). This act portended the crowning of Jesus (Joshua and Jesus are the same name meaning savior) at the inauguration of the re-built temple when He returns to earth (6:12,13). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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7:1,8 We might wonder why the prophet gives his name here whereas on other occasions he simply is referred to as ‘me’ – Zech 6:4 – for example. Maybe the answer is in his name which means Yahweh has remembered. Israel were remembering the mourning for Zion as can be seen in Zech 7:3-6. Whereas they had been remembering their sorrows God was remembering their plight and delivering them from Babylon. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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7:3 In 617 BC, the people of Bethel wanted to know if they should continue fasting in the fifth month as they had done for the past seventy plus years. Yahweh replied, through Zechariah, that the fast were of non- effect because the people forgot to do the things which pleased Him (7:5,6). The things which please Yahweh are found in 7:9,10. Obedience to Yahweh’s commands is greater than sacrifice (1Sam 15:22). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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6:8 The ‘spirit’ that was quieted in the north country was Babylon who had allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| Zech 7:7-14 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment Go to Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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Christ is the branch - Zech 6:12;3:8;Jer 23:5-6;Isa 11:1-5. Christ will rule the earth (from Zion) as priest and king - Zech 6:13;Gen 14:18-20;Psa 110:1-4;Heb 5:5-10. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Charles |
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THINK THE BEST Over and over through the prophets we get a similar message that is thrust in front of us so that we learn the lesson. The message of Zechariah is no exception. "This is what the LORD Almighty says, 'Administer true justice; show mercy and compassopn to one another. Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor. In your hearts do not think evil of each other.'" (Zech 7:9-10) We are very familiar with most of this as we are reminded of it many other times, but the last phraze is one that doesn't seem to occur in so many other places. "In your hearts do not think evil of each other." This takes us right out of the normal rule-keeping mindset. It is not something we do in a public environment - it is done in the privacy of our own heart. It takes place in the thoughts - even before words and actions come into being. Everyone is different and there are very few people we we will find who think on a same or even similar wavelength to ourselves. This is what makes it so easy to think evil of each other. We don't understand the way people think. But, making the instruction into a positive one, we must think the best of each other. If we impute motives into someone's actions, make them good motives. Think the best. Not only will it give us a more godly perspective as we look at other people, others may also rise to live up to the expectations we have of them. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Robert |
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v.5 - The Book of Life is quite a feature of Revelation. Here we get
the impression that everyone is in it until they behave in a way that they
would be blotted out, but he that overcomes will not be blotted out, but
saved instead by God's grace. Elsewhere (17:8)
it seems that only those who were known to be going to be heirs of salvation
were ever written there. Here is a list of other occurrences in Revelation
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3:2 In saying 'strengthen the things that remain' Jesus was not providing a clarion call that we might use in our ecclesias. It was a call to an ecclesia to salvage something from the desperate situation it was in. If we care to us this phrase we must be careful to recognise that it was used by Jesus of an ailing ecclesia. It was not a phrase that Jesus used to warn an ecclesia or brethren and sisters how they should address the problems of others. 4:6
The 'sea of glass' here is a foretaste of that wonderful time of Revelation
15:2 when the redeemed will have overcome the beast and all that it
stands for. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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The promises to David form a major element of the gospel message. Here the use of Isaiah 22 reinforces this element of the gospel by describing the risen Jesus as the one who has fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah.
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3:18 We ought to 'buy' of the Lord now because a time is coming when all will have to 'buy' from the beast system (Revelation 13:17) 4:3 The 'rainbow' assures us that God will never again destroy the earth with a flood (Genesis 9:11). This reassurance is important because Revelation is going to tell us of great judgements that are to come upon the earth. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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3:17 In Putting the words "I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing" Jesus is quoting Hos 12:7 where rebellious Ephraim are spoken of. 4:3,4,6 "Round about" is a recurring phrase in this chapter and is also found inRev 5:11, 7:11. On each occasion the throne is involved. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 3:12 To have the name of the city, is to be made part of its constitution, to have full citizenship in it. Citizenship then, in this city involves being a member of the world wide government of Christ in the Kingdom of God. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| 3:17 Laodicea was a very rich and prosperous city, and many of the brethren could be affected in this regard. With worldly wealth comes a responsibility for that wealth, which "chokes the Word, and he becometh unfruitful".(Matt 13:22) We, in this materialistic age, must be especially careful not to lay undue emphasis on material possessions to the exclusion of the Word of God. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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3:1-4 The ecclesia at Sardis came in for criticism. However, there were a few faithful members of that ecclesia . The profile of Sardis is not unlike that of many ecclesias today. The faithful did not run away and form a new ecclesia, but stayed and acted as watchmen (Eze 33). We must follow this example. It is wrong to withdraw ourselves and form another ecclesia to uphold the purity of the Truth. This is judgemental and divisive. We must stay and try to help our spiritually weak brethren. 4:6-8 The four living creatures correspond to the four living creatures of Ezekiel's vision (Eze 1). Each beast corresponds to the Major Prophets and the gospel accounts (See my note on Ezekiel Ch.1 for Sept. 5). True followers believe in the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the Name of Jesus Christ which understanding is contained in the prophets and the gospels accounts. Therefore, the eyes on the living creatures represent the redeemed saints who will forever worship Yahweh. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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3:5 ‘white’ is ‘the righteousness of the saints’ Rev 19:8. The promise which is later made for all is first given to the brethren in Sardis, despite their problems. Now that is encouraging. 4:8 The ones who ‘rest not day nor night’ are rather like those who mourn for Zion – Isa 62:6 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| 3:9 What a wonderful testimony for an ecclesia to receive. Philadelphia, the ecclesia of brotherly love, was beloved of the elder brother; which the world will shortly be compelled to acknowledge.(Isa 60:14, Isa 49:23) The attitude of the ecclesia reflected the history of the city, strong and vigorous in its approach to the Truth. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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4:3,4,6 The repeated use of ‘round about’ highlights the fellowship that the Father seeks with His subjects.
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| 3:4 The robes of the saints must be of moral and material whiteness. Having "put on Christ" as a garment at one's baptism, they keep themselves unspotted from the world. The keeping clean of the moral garment, will guarantee the receiving of the "white" or pure physical nature, doing away of that nature in which dwelleth no good thing. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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4:8 The cry ‘holy, holy, holy’ quotes Isa 6:3 where God is being praised. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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3:3 We might think it strange that the believers are described as ‘names’ but it actually picks up the way that the believers are described in Acts 1:15, which in turn draws on the ideas found in Num 26:53. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Rev 3:21 First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>Government Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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3:14 That Jesus is ‘the beginning of the creation of God’ echoes and highlights the teaching that he is the ‘firstborn’ – Rev 1:5 – and that ‘all things were created by him’ Col 1:16 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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