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| ch.31:13-15
- Here we have the lesson we must take to heart - to recognise that all
have been formed by God in the womb and we should despise no-one. That is
only correct for God to do. There is a human tendency to despise those that
have not ordered their lives correctly before God. Instead we should be
feeling sorry for them and be desirous of helping them, hopefully learning
what not to do from the actions of Job's 3 friends. But that is over now.
At last Elihu, the young man, comes to Job's rescue as it were. May those
of us that are older and those, like me, who very soon will be, really take
this message seriously to heart. Wisdom does not bring condemnation. These
older friends of Job's were not wise (except in their own conceits) Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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ch.31 - Job continues And now he asks that God would judge him according to his lifestyle. He feels that he has walked uprightly and so does not deserve the calamities that he has experienced. 32:1-5
So the friends say no more. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| ch.32:5-6
There is a great lesson for us all here. It is not necessarily the case
that old age brings wisdom. Wisdom is a result of experience. I suggest
that if we seek out a wise man we look for a man who has had many testings
in his life and stuck to his faith throughout, rather than one who has reached
a great age. It is clear from this book that old age does not always bring
wisdom and understanding, but in this latter part of the book we are brought
to our senses by this younger man who has the answers and who is able to
help Job see his life in perspective. Let us not ignore the potential for
wisdom to come from our younger members. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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31:33 Here we have an indication that Job was familiar with the Genesis account of the fall of Adam and Eve and the way that they sought to cover their nakedness. 32:2 Being angry is hardly a good basis on which to start instructing anyone. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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31:1 We may think that Jesus was the first one to emphasise that looking on a woman to lust is equivalent to adultery (Matthew 5:28) but Job states this principles albeit in slightly different words 32:1 God's assessment of Job as 'upright' (1:8) and the comment that he, before his friends, presented himself as 'righteous' seem to be at variance. We should remember that Job was driven to this claim through the words of his friends. One is left wondering how often we drive our brethren and sisters to justify themselves because of the things we say to them. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| Job 32:18. Elihu, after waiting to make sure that Job’s friends had nothing else to say finally speaks up. But, we must note that he made it clear that what he had to say would not be emotional, or spoken with prejudice. He would not flatter, nor would he show respect to persons. He knew that God would condemn those who did. For a young man he certainly showed a great deal of wisdom. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| Buz was the son of Nahor the brother of Abraham (Gen 22:20,21). Elihu was a descendent of Buz (Job 32:2) He was also of the family of Ram of whom David was a descendant, seven generations later (Ruth 4:19-22). Could the great-grandfather of Elkanah, the husband of Hannah in Samuel's time, be the same Elihu as the one in Job? (1Sam 1:1). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Michael |
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| Thoughts differ about Elihu. Some writers describe him as the mouthpiece of God, whereas others consign him to the same depth as the three friends, and as a self-opinionated young upstart. Personally, I think that if he did speak on God's behalf, why then should God Himself speak? Set against this, however, is the fact that God condemns the three friends (Job 42:7), but not Elihu. But, set against this, we have Job 38:2 which is God speaking - and if His words are referring to Elihu, he too is condemned by God. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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31:4-6 So again Job is challenging God to faulty him in the way that he has lived. 32:5 So Elihu shares the ‘anger ‘ of Jobs other friends. Just as anger was not a good basis for instruction from the other friends it is hardly a good basis upon which Elihu should start. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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The study of Job is multi-layered and there are many lessons to be learned. Both the Yahweh and Job agree that he (Job) was a virtuous and upright man (1:1;12:4). However, Job was not sinless (Rom 3:23). He was adamant about defending his integrity because he believed that he had done no wrong (27:5,6). He believed that his being righteous should have protected him from evil. But we know that a righteous man can fall, sometimes several times (Prov 24:16). Because Job obeyed the Yahweh, and remained blameless, he was at a loss to understand why he had been mistreated. He wants to hold the Yahweh to account (31:6). That was the major error of Job's behavior which would soon be challenged (40:2). The lesson for us is to never question the righteous integrity of the Yahweh. We might not understand the reasons for our suffering, or why the Yahweh does not stop it. But we should know that He knows all about it and that it is part of our growth. He will not crush us through any experience (1Cor 10:13); and He will always be there for us if we trust Him, for he says: Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you. (Heb 13:5). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Michael |
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31:7 In speaking of his ‘heart’ Job shows that he understood that pleasing God was not simply a matter of keeping a set of laws. It was about the way he thought. We would do well to ponder on that. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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32:7 Elihu is saying that the friends and Job, because of their age, should have known better. Sadly age is no guarantee of wisdom! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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Job catalogs the sins that he is sure he did not commit. 31:1 Maid is translated from the Hebrew word bethulah which is from the root word meaning to separate, thus being a virgin because she is untouched. It is not one of the usual Hebrew words which denote a slave or servant girl. This word has the connotation of being an idol. And so, Job is saying that he was careful to avert his eyes when seeing this idolatrous statue, so as never to be guilty of idolatry.The idea of a deity in the form of a virgin, separated for worship, has been around since Nimrod founded Babylon. Today, we can see the same kind of worship in the adoration of the Virgin Mary. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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32:3 So Elihu was ‘angry’ because Job’s friends could not answer him. We have to presume, therefore, that Elihu was coning at the whole problem from the wrong perspective – he wanted to show his cleverness Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Elihu is completely correct in his assessment of the problem here. Look at the careful way in which he addresses the incorrect views of each party: Job: He justified (made righteous) himself rather than God (32:2). In other words, Job had set himself and God in opposition, and ruled in his own favour rather than God's. This isn't right. In reality, Job was a righteous man, but he should not have claimed God was un-righteous in order to make himself feel better (see for example 27:2 "God has taken away my justice") 3 friends: They hadn't found a good reason to condemn Job, yet had still done so (32:3). This rightly angered Elihu because he had seen his friend suffer under their onslaught needlessly. He then correctly points out the way in which the friends had taken Job's early statements personally (32:14). This is the root of the problem. Have you noticed how all their early speeches are fairly reasonable, then become harsh, bitter and personal over time? Isn't this the way our own arguments go too? Elihu points out that he alone could be impartial since Job's words had not been directed at him (32:14,21). For us too, there are some subjects we are best to avoid with certain people, unless perhaps their is a good mediator in the room. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Rob |
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31:19-21 So Job returns again to the way he has always behaved. He was a good man who cared for others. However this is no guarantee that problems will not come in one’s own life. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| v.4-5
- It seems to me we have a picture here of the way that there are those
from every generation of the earth's history that are members of the city
of Zion, to which we are called (Heb.12:22-24). Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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8:1
- 8:17 is the fourth prophecy 8:4
-5 describes a time of peace when no one will make Israel afraid and
the men have reached old age because they have not been killed in battle. This list of feasts and fasts which Zechariah is referring to can all be found mentioned in passages of Scripture relating to the captivity. It is interesting to note that whilst Jeremiah told the people to go and dwell in Babylon, build houses and seek the peace of that land their approach was to simply lament the disasters in their lives. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.3-8
- In the words 'and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth' (v.3)
we see the work of Jesus, who was typified by Jerusalem in the prophets,
who was also 'the way, the truth and the life'. We are built on this very
cornerstone, which makes us part of this city, and party to its joyful state
described in these verses. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 8:23
Contrasts starkly with how things were in the time of the prophet. The nations
round about Israel would have taken hold of the skirt of a Jew and killed
him. So the prophet is speaking of a time future to his days - he is looking
to the kingdom when Israel will be the head and not the tail (Deuteronomy
28:13) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| THESE
ARE THE THINGS TO DO The LORD had determined to do good to Jerusalem instead of the evil he had given them because of their wickedness. But to ensure that the good he gave them was going to continue, there were four small but challenging things he asked them to do. Speak the truth to each other. Grumbling behind each others backs, misleading people, gossip and lies seem to be the normal standard of speech for the world today. But it must be different for us. The New Testament adds to this instruction when it tells us to, "Speak the truth in love." Render true and sound judgement in your courts. "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." This phrase and swearing on the Bible do not mean what they used to. But we must do our part to be true. Do not plot evil against your neighbour. Climbing the corporate ladder and getting rid of neighbourly nuisances are both ways we can be sucked into plotting evil. Be kind and compassionate instead. Do not love to swear falsely. Instead we must delight in doing what is right and just. Do these things and be well on the way to being pleasing to the LORD. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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| 8:8
The words of the prophet that God would be 'their God in truth and in righteousness'
marked a contrast between how things were in the days of Zechariah and how
they will ultimately be. Israel should, therefore, have seen that Zechariah
was telling them that they, even thought back in the land, were not really
acceptable to Him because of their dishonesty. A feature which Malachi will
pick up after the time of Zechariah. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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Zech 8:3. “I will dwell” God dwelt above the Mercy Seat in the Tabernacle of Moses, and in the Temple of Soloman in the form of the Shekinah Glory which was representative of God being in the midst of them. We are told in Ezekiel of the glory leaving Jerusalem (11:23) but, we are told it will return (42:2) Speaking here of the restoration of Jerusalem, when God will surely dwell in the midst of them. Zech 8:23. Israel was told to make a ribbon of blue on the borders of their skirt, to remind them of their heavenly calling Num 15:38-39. This calling will be recognized by the nations in the age to come. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| 8:1 Up to Zechariah 6 Zechariah saw things. We are now seeing the 'word' that came to Zechariah - see also 7:1, 12:1 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.9 Zechariah called upon the people to labor faithfully, courageously, and patiently in the work before them, in spite of current difficulties, in the assurance that God would bless such labors by granting those who manifested them a participation in the joys of the future age. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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V.13 God originally called Israel out of Egypt that the people might reflect His glory, but as Jeremiah said "they would not hear" (13:9) Nevertheless this purpose, promised to the patriarchs, shall be fulfilled ultimately (Jer 33:6-9) The national redemption of Israel will be followed by blessings that will extend through Israel to all nations. Isa 2:2-4, Psa 68:29, Psa 72, Jer 3:17. This will be accomplished through David's greater son. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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| Jerusalem is really be the centre of God’s new world. Of-course, for the newly returned Jews, this would be a tremendous boost, but it was not to happen immediately. In-fact, it still hasn’t happened yet in the 21st century, has it? But the very fact that God said, “I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem,” (Zech 8:3), must have been wonderful news indeed. I hope they said, “So we must get on and finish the work, then.” David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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Collecting glimpses of the Kingdom will strengthen our faith. It is useful to cultivate as strong an image as possible of our treasure, the Kingdom (Matt 6:21). Imagine people of great age (Isa 65:20) sitting watching children playing in the streets of Jerusalem in peace (vs.4,5). As well as peace, there will be abundance of produce (v.12). The whole world will recognize Yahweh and will come to Jerusalem to entreat His favor (vs.21,22). Imagine a world of peace, abundance, and righteousness. Contrast that with today's world. Where would you rather be? The four fasts (v.19), in the order given, commemorate: Nebuchadnezzar's entering Jerusalem; the burning of the temple; Gedaliah's assassination; the siege of Jerusalem. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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Zech 8:3 Before Israel went into captivity the glory cloud was seen to leave Jerusalem – Eze 10 – but now God says he has returned. This must have been a great encouragement to the faithful, even though the cloud never seems to have re appeared in Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| 8:4 The Hebrew word translated streets is RECHOWH (7339) appears to not refer to streets as we know them, but more of an enlargement, or an open space. So aged men and women are described as dwelling in the open spaces of Jerusalem. This makes sense, as they would not dwell or live in the streets. Also, Jerusalem, being a Temple city, would not have streets. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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8:2 In saying that God was ‘jealous for Zion’ the prophet is reminding the people of what he has already said – Zech 1:14– and the words of the prophet Isa 62:1 showing that despite the wickedness of the people God still has his eyes on Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 8:5 Children are an essential part of Zechariah's picture of the city of Jerusalem, he sees the play areas of the city full of boys and girls. Family life can not be diminished for the prosperity of the nation to grow. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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The word streets ( vs. 4,5) is translated from the Hebrew rechovot (plural of rechov). In Modern Hebrew, rechovot means streets as we know them today. However, in the sense that Zechariah presents rechovot, the word means broad places such as squares, plazas etc.Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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8:4 This description is a consequence of the peace that will enable Jerusalem to be a city ‘without walls’ as described in Zech 2:4 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| v 7,8 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Restoration clearly foretold In Eze 21:25-27 UNTIL indicates a limitation to the overturning. Go there for more prophecies about Israel's restoration. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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8:3‘the holy mountain’ catches the words of Jer 31:23 – speaking of a time of blessing which Zech is saying is having a fulfillment in his day. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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v.11 - We see here the ones who are judges righteous, who, although
they represent a small remnant of the inhabitants of the earth, nevertheless
are without number (ch.7:9).
This is not the 144 thousand of later in the book. This, it would seem,
is a much greater number than that. These are those whose names have not
been blotted out of the book of life, who have not defiled their garments
- those who have responded to the chastening hand of God in their lives. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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5:9-10 To sing the song of these verses will be a wonderful privilege. It is ours if we heed the exhortations and warnings of the book of Revelation. ch.6 - The six seals speak of violence and woe. To a community who are conscientious objectors we may feel uncomfortable with so much violence. However our God is a God of judgment and as such has in the past, and will in the future. We will not have problems with the way in which our God judges the world if we appreciate how evil it's ways are. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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5:1 That the book was written within and on the back side indicates that it is full of lamentations and woe - see Ezekiel 21:10. 6:11 That saints have had to 'rest yet for a little season' should remind us that our brethren have been persecuted and some even killed for their faith right down through the ages. We should spare a prayer for our brethren and sisters suffering persecution and help at a practical level where possible. Read about the Karolyn Andrews Memorial Fund http://www.tidings.org/editorials/editor200207-08.htm Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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5:5 "The root of David" shows that even though Revelation is concerned with event after the death and resurrection of Jesus that w are still involved with the promises to the fathers. 6:13 the "fig tree [that] casteth her untimely figs" quotes Isa 34:4 which is a prophecy of judgement upon Edom. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 5:9 "Clothed in white robes" At our baptism we "put on Christ" as a garment to cover past sins. Those seen by John are all the saints whose sins have been covered by the forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Only the Lord Jesus is able to tell His followers what must shortly come to pass. The seals represent periods of history subsequent to AD 90. The first six seals took place in the first few centuries. One traditional Christadelphian analysis gives the following breakdown: First seal: 96-183 AD Second seal: 183-211 AD Third seal: 212-235 AD Fourth seal: 235-303 AD Fifth seal: 303-311 AD Sixth seal: 312-324 AD The seventh seal is protracted in length as it unfolds into trumpets (incorporating woes) and vials. We are clearly at that point of history which is considered the end times. Jesus could come at any time and call us to judgement. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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Chapter six reveals the first four seals: First seal: 96-183 AD: The first horse is white which signifies purity and peace. Here, it represents a time of peace in the Roman Empire. Those following Jesus, however, were never at peace, even during this time (2Tim 3:12). Second seal: 183-211 AD: The second horse was red, the symbol of bloodshed which occurred as Roman emperors set about murdering one another. Third seal: 212-235 AD: The third horse was black. This is descriptive of famine causing widespread death. This was also a time of many assassinations of the Roman elite. Fourth seal: 235-303 AD: The fourth horse was pale. This referred to a sickly green color which symbolized approaching death. Represented, here, is a time of extensive violence and killing. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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Rev 5:10 - indicates that we shall reign as "kings & priests" in the kingdom age to come - Have you ever wondered WHY? - In the kingdom age to come, when mortal puts on immortality, the saints will manifest the 2 characteristics of the offices of Kings & priests (mercy & truth) - As a nation, Israel was designed to represent God to other nations; to both rule them & to draw them to the truth and righteousness (Deut.4:4-6) - But the people broke the covenant when Moses was in the mount, and the priesthood was given to Levi (Exo.32:25-29) and later the governing part was given to Judah - In Christ, both will be restored as originally intended 1Pet 2:5-10 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: " - “Kings & Priests” – Mercy & Truth - These are the 2 characteristics we need to emulate NOT only in the kingdom age, BUT NOW - This is what is involved in the call of the gospel - We are NOW a people belonging to God, and being in Christ, we need to emulate the characteristics of Christ to the best of our abilities
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5:6 The lamb ‘had been slain’ – it was no longer dead. A truly fitting representation of the risen Christ. 6:11 Again we have ‘white robes – Righteousness – Rev 19:8 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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6:8 the phrase ‘with sword … beast of the earth’ quotes Eze 15:2 which speaks of impending judgement upon Jerusalem by the Chaldeans. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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The phrase kings and priests (KJV) is more correctly translated in modern versions as kingdom and priests (5:10). The saints will perform rôles of priests in the kingdom, but there will be only one king - Jesus. The four horses described here (6:1-8) have no relation to the chariot horses of Zech 5:2,3. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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6:10 The cry ‘how long O Lord’ echoes the cry of Zech 1:12 where the prophet is, at the time of the return from Babylon, praying for the redemption of Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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5:8 The way that prayers are ‘odours’ draws on the language of Psa 141:2. This little comment in Revelation helps us to understand that all the incense that was offered was not an end in itself. Rather it pointed to the fact that God wants to ‘smell’ our words. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Rev 5:9-10 First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>Government Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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6:16 In speaking of the hills and mountains covering the wicked Jesus is alluding to his comments – Luke 23:30 and the warning of the prophet – Hos 10:8 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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