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Reading 1 - Job  34
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v.14-15 - Here we have the basic truth stated that God is the sole power in the universe, and stated so clearly and concisely. It is a most humbling thought when we feel we have done anything at all in our own strength. Every breath we take is at His command.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
Elihu 'answers' the three friends saying that they have not understood Job's problem correctly.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.18 - The implication throughout the book is that Job was a very important person in the city, maybe (some say) even the king, so the words of these verses are spoken, apparently, against the older men for their words against Job.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
34:5 In saying that Job said 'I am righteous …' he is appealing to things that Job had said (13:18 27:2) - but is he accurately reflecting what Job meant? It is so easy to misquote others and then accuse them of things that they did not mean. Is Elihu guilty of this?
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
34:10 And now Elihu turns to the other friends who have already spoken to Job and implies that their understanding is faulty.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
Job 34:17. God, as the creator and sustainer of all life has a very good reason for everything that he does. Think about the potter and the clay, who does the molding? There are things we do not know about, or understand, but that does that give us the right to question it. Man does not have the right to challenge God in anything; we know that he is a loving and merciful God. Just think what has been done for all of us.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to John

Elihu was quite right when in Job 34:3 he said that the ear tries words, as the mouth tasteth meat.  There's a good lesson for us here.  We can discriminate against, and spit out, offensive food. So we must select what we hear, and reject what is offensive.

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David

V.2,16 The opening of this chapter is addressed to the friends of Job (wise men), while yesterday's reading (Job 33) it was to Job only. As we read through today's reading we see that Elihu once again addresses Job only (V.16


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John
It is sobering to contemplate that the LORD has absolute power over life and death (vs.14,15).  He can create and destroy at will and nobody can dispute His actions (Psa 104:29,30).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

34:7-8  Elihu’s assessment of Job differs significantly from God’s as laid out in Job 1:8.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

34:8  Do we think that Job ‘goeth in company of the workers of iniquity’? If not then this questions the reliability of Elihu even though he claimed to be speaking on behalf of God.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

 

Elihu says, of the mighty, that God punishes the wicked ones quickly and publicly (vs.25-27).  How does that fit with Manasseh, for example?  Manasseh was the benchmark for wicked kings.  It was because of his sin that the LORD vowed to bring disaster upon Judah and Jerusalem (2Kin 21:11,12).  The LORD would not, under any circumstance, be dissuaded from this vow (Jer 15:1,4).  And yet, Manasseh reigned 54 years (the longest reigning Judean king), and died without incident at 66 years of age (2Kin 21:18).  Other kings, some good and some less evil than Manasseh, came to stickier ends than he.  And so, how is Elihu's argument correct?  All parties in this discourse - Job and his companions - said some things that are correct and other things that lack understanding.  This tells us that the human, finite mind cannot completely explain the ways of the infinite LORD (Isa 55:8,9).  Therefore, we should obey the things we can understand from the LORD, and trust Him in the things that we cannot explain.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Michael

34:2  Job now turns to all the friends and addresses them as well as Job.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

A DIFFERENT VIEW

 

Elihu said, "It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice." (Job 34:12) He was right. But in this true assumption Elihu and the rest of Job's friends had a difficulty. They saw the problems that had come on Job as just punishment given by God to Job because Job had sinned in some sort of terrible way. On face value what they thought is probably how it looked. But Job had not sinned. He insisted on his innocence and even God declared that there was no one like him.

 

So did God do wrong and pervert justice? As Elihu said, the thought that God would do wrong or pervert justice is unthinkable. The point they overlooked was that Job's trials were not in the cause of justice. They were not a punishment or a reward for anything. Job's trials were given to prove that Job would be faithful to God no matter what happened.

 

In the end, Job did remain faithful and God was proved right. The lesson for us is that when we are tempted to think God has done wrong or has perverted justice, we need to think again. He is always right and always just. If anything is wrong it is the perspective we have taken.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Robert

 

Elihu’s exhortation to Job is, in paraphrase: Humble yourself in front of the Almighty and say: I have been afflicted but I will not offend. Teach me what I cannot see; if I have sinned I will sin no more. Even such a man as Job can sin in his righteousness, as all men sin. The exception was the Lord Jesus. Elihu’s exhortation sounds reasonable. Elihu did not offend Yahweh as he was not subject to Yahweh’s anger (42:7).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

In v7-8 Elihu appears to accuse Job unjustly. But this isn't the case. All he means to say is "Job, listen to yourself! You sound just like a fool when you say 'it doesn't make any difference whether a man serves God or not' ". Elihu isn't saying Job is a wicked man, but that his words make him sound like one (v8). This is a turn of phrase Job used himself when speaking to his wife:

"you speak as one of the foolish women speaks" (2:10)

My paraphrase of Elihu's words in v7-9 would be: 'by saying "I shouldn't suffer in this way because I'm righteous!" you sound just like all the other fools who know no better. You're acting like them when you say "It doesn't profit a man to serve God" '


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Rob

34:14-15 Whilst Elihu’s comment about God’s control of man’s life is true it is hardly relevant to Job’s situation. It is of no comfort to him.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

34:10 In saying ‘therefore’ Elihu is saying that he has a good reason for the friends to listen to him because of the evidence that he has already presented.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 2 - Zechariah 10
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v.4 - the nail is an aspect of prophecy about Jesus. Ezra 9:8, Isa.22:23-25
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

10:1 latter rain Joel 2:23
10:2 because there was no shepherd Ezekiel 34:5
10:5 tread down their enemies Malachi 4:3
10:6 Judah Joseph Ezekiel 37:16
10:9 I will sow them among the people Hosea 2:23
10:9 remember me in far countries Deuteronomy 30:1
10:11 'river shall dry up' Isaiah 11:15
'sceptre of Egypt shall depart Isaiah 19:3
10:12 walk up and down in his name Micah 4:5

10:2 - 3 'because there was no shepherd' Ezekiel 34:8 Israel's leaders disregarded the flock as did the elders in the time of Jesus - see Matthew 9:26 therefore they were punished.

10:6 'Judah and Joseph' see Ezekiel 37:16. Zechariah is picking up the concept outlined by Ezekiel concerning the reuniting of the two parts.

10:10 The promise is a regathering of the outcasts which extends beyond the return from Babylon as it picks up the language of Isaiah 11:11 looking to the final restoration of Israel.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.6,12 - We are reminded that God is willing to strengthen us. Let us not be slow to ask Him for this strength that we might by His grace be saved.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
10:3 In speaking about punishing the goats Zechariah is drawing attention to the wicked shepherds in Israel and Ezekiel's reproof (Ezekiel 34:17) where God was going to judge between the sheep and the goats.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
LEADERS
In Zechariah's days the leaders of the people led them in any direction they could, as long as they did not lead them in the direction of God. "The idols speak deceit, diviners see visions that lie; they tell dreams that are false, they give comfort in vain. Therefore the people wander like sheep oppressed for lack of a shepherd."

It is exactly the same for the people of our day. Governments allow us free speech to speak out for any cause we like - we can take up the cause for witchcraft, homosexuality, abortion or any other topic you fancy - unless it happens to be Christianity. If we speak about Christ or try to turn people back to God we are labeled as brainwashing and trying to influence people against their will. No longer is the Bible read at school or prayers offered as governments prepare to discuss legislation. God has been kicked out of the lives of the people. So it is up to us, who still know God, to be leaders - even against the opposition - to lead people to God. In doing so we will save ourselves and, with God's blessing, those who follow us.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert
10:6 In speaking of bringing again the people Zechariah may well have caused confusion in the minds of the people. Surely, they might reason, we have just returned so what does the prophet mean when he speaks of brining again. Those who really wanted to know would have to ask the prophet and search the Scriptures. They would have learnt that this return was not the final restoration of Israel, despite the fulfillment of Isaiah 14 - and other Scriptures, that we have alluded to already.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

Zech 10:4. The nail here is a stout peg, upon which to display articles of value or glory. Christ will display the glory of his Father’s house,

Zech 10:6. In providing a Deliverer for His people God though the prophet is showing what He will do for His people Israel
            I will strengthen. (The house of Judah)
            I will save. (The house of Joseph)
            I will bring them again.
            I will have mercy upon them.
            I will hear them.
This, as was done when Israel was led out of Egypt.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to John
10:5 In speaking of the treading down of God's enemies Zechariah is using language which Malachi (4:3) would later use to speak of the destruction of the wicked.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.1 This verse gives us a figurative picture of spring: with grain ripening after the spring rains, with lush pasture in the fields for the sheep to consume, with widespread joy and happiness in the revelation of Divine goodness.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John
V.6 Judah and Joseph stand for the southern and northern kingdoms as a whole; all who were still living far from "the land" would be made mighty and be delivered, and be brought back home
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John
Zech 10:3-4 - an apparent reference to Christ as the "corner" (NIV says "cornerstone") Heb. "pinnah" (6438) means "a pinnacle, a chieftain, bulwark, chief, corner, stay, tower". Compare with Matt 21:42
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Charles

 

Zechariah talks about the blessings that Jesus will bring when He returns (v.1).  He also talks about Jesus as the redeeming warrior of His people Israel.  He will confront and destroy the idolatrous nations that oppress Israel (vs.2,3).  The shepherds and goats of v.3 do not refer to false prophets of Israel but rather to the leaders of the nations that oppress Israel.  The context of the verse supports this.  The same language is used by Jeremiah (Jer 25:19-26;34-36).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

Today we have a few verses giving the reasons why Israel have been punished (Zech 10:2-4), then the rest of the chapter is a wonderful picture of the Jews’ return, and of the Kingdom. Do notice Zech 10:2; even lifeless idols speak lies and falsehoods.  Our possessions can sometimes speak to us in clearer tones than we hear from God.  The problem Israel had was to which sound-source they closed their ears.

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

10:9 In saying ‘I will sow them among the people’ Zechariah quotes at least the idea of Jer 31:27 thus indicating that even though Israel are now back in the land they will be scattered yet again – which happened under the hand of the Roam.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

10:8 Whilst the people had only recently returned from Babylon the prophet speaks of a return – indicating that God is showing them that the return from Babylon is but a shadow of what will happen when Messiah comes.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
 10:2 They have been misdirected, and as a result go their own way because of a lack of leadership by the shepherds. This is exactly what Ezekiel spoke of (Eze 34:6). What a lesson for today; the flock needs shepherds or leaders, if they are missing, the sheep will wander off on their own, and as a result will become lost.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John

 

V.6 talks of restoration of the House of Judah and the House of Joseph.  The House of Judah represents the two tribes of the Southern Kingdom, and the House of Joseph refers to the ten tribes of Israel (the Northern Kingdom).  Joseph had two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim who were counted as sons of Jacob (Gen 48:5,6).  The tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim dominated the Northern Kingdom of Israel and became synonymous with it.  And so, Zechariah is saying that the LORD will restore all Israel (the twelve tribes). This will take place when Jesus returns to earth.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Michael

10:4   The ‘nail’ harks back to Isa 22:23 but whereas that ‘nail’ was ‘removed’ the nail that Zechariah  speaks of – Jesus – will never be removed.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

10:6 That God will have mercy draws on the language of the earlier prophet Hos 13:4 see last year’s comment for another link with Hosea.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

10:3 The mention of visiting the house of Judah draws on the promise of the earlier prophet – Hos 1:7


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - Revelation  10 and 11
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11:3 clearly refers to the same as Zech.4:2-14.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

10:1-10 The sweet book which became bitter in the belly catches the circumstances of Ezekiel 3:1-14. The word of God is sweet as honey Psalm 119:103. However the message which it delivers to those who are rebellious is bitter.

11:2 The treading under foot of the court by the gentiles draws on Luke 21:24. It is a period of the desolation of the things of God. However just as Jerusalem will be restored so will be the fortunes of the nation of Israel for 'all Israel shall be saved ' Romans 11:26. This will happen when 'the fullness of the gentiles is come in'. Romans 11:15.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

 

spake unto me again and said Go ... the little book
EZE 3:1-3
And he said unto me ... ... and eat it ... belly ... it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey
EZE 3:1-3
... ate it ... and it was in my mouth sweet as honey
EZE 3:1-3


Even though we are at a time of the resurrection the message to be preached is still unpalatable. Hence the commission is rather like that of Ezekiel who had to preach to a rebellious nation.

and shall send gifts one to another
ESTHER 9:19


Whereas in the days of Esther the gifts were sent amongst rejoicing Jews these presents are to be sent to celebrate the persecution of the servants of God.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
many people ... and nations and tongues
DAN 3:7

The quotation from Daniel 3 shows how that all those who would bow down to the image would eventually be judged by God. So Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego made the right choice!

the two olive trees
Zech 4:3
candlesticks
Zech 4:2


The quotations from Zechariah's visions show us that in order to understand what Revelation is speaking about we must understand the background to Zechariah's visions.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

 

The olive trees and lamp stands are not quite the same in Revelation (11:4) as those of Zechariah (4:3).  Zechariah has two olive trees standing beside one lamp stand, while Revelation has two olive trees each standing separately by a lamp stand (viz. two lamp stands).  For explanation, please see my note on Dec. 21 for Zechariah 4.

Throughout history, there have been those who have carried Yahweh's truth.  These are the seed of the woman.  Those in rebellion to Yahweh are the seed of the serpent.  But there have been those individuals and groups throughout history who have opposed the seed of the serpent while not possessing Yahweh's Truth.  These have used political, religious, and physical persuasion to fight against injustice, religious intolerance, and corruption etc.  In fact, directly or indirectly, they have been of help to the seed of the woman.  This group is one of the witnesses symbolized by one of the olive trees.  The other witness is, of course, the seed of the woman.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Michael

10:3 The voice that was similar to "a lion that roareth" reminds us the "lion of the tribe of Judah" (Rev 5:5)

11:3   The two witnesses perform the miracles hat Moses and Elijah did.
The fire proceeding out of their mouth 2Kin 1:10

Shut heaven that it rain not   James 5:17


Turn water to blood    Exo 7:20


All plagues     The 10 plagues on Egypt


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
11:18 Having done all things in faith, we shall receive power and authority to destroy them that corrupt the earth. As the Psalmist recorded for us. Psa 149:5-9
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

Revelation Ch. 10 mirrors Daniel Ch. 12.

10:1 The angel of  had a rainbow upon his head. Remember that a rainbow also surrounded the throne of Yahweh (4:3).  These were complete circles and not just the semi-circle that we are used to seeing in nature.  This completeness also contains the full range of colors in the spectrum.  Together these colors make white light.  The rainbows represent the immortalized saints who have been drawn from all nations (colors).  Wne all together, these saints constitute the whiteness of righteousness (19:7,8). 

The rainbow is also a sign of peace, as it was when given as a covenant after the flood (Gen 9:11-16).  When the returned Lord Jesus puts down His enemies, there shall be peace on the earth. 

10:11 It will then be the role of the immortalized saints to teach the remaining mortal population the ways of Yahweh.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

10:4  The sealing up of the voice of the ‘seven thunders’ matches Dan 12:4 – marking the point that the seven thunders were to be restrained for some time to come.

11:6 The heaven being shut up is what God said would happen – Deut 11:16  – if Israel were unfaithful.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
10:11 In Rev 5:9-10 the Redeemed are spoken of as having been "taken out" of the nations. Here they are returned to the same nation from where they were called, they return with a message of salvation. The indication is that the Redeemed will return to the countries of their propation, to educate the poeple in the "truth". A people who have been ridiculed by those around them, will now become teachers to those around them.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to John

Parallels between Daniel 12 & Rev.10

 

John is invited in this chapter to v.9eat the book”, or participate in the events it records.

This fulfils the prayers of the saints in Rev.5:9-10; 6:10

 

Rev.10:1 – “his face was as it were the sun”

(Multitudinous Christ)

Dan.12:3 – “And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.” (Multitudinous Christ)

Rev.10:4 – “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, … Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not..” (cited Dan.12:4)

Dan.12:4 – “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Rev.10:5 – “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,” (cited Dan.12:7)

Dan.12:7 – “And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time”

Rev.10:6 – “And sware by him that liveth … there should be time no longer:” (cited Dan.12:7)

(answer to prayers Rev.6:10)

Dan.12:7 – “sware by him that liveth … that it shall be for a time”

 

The final judgments, and the fulfillment of the time periods of Daniel, will occur during the period of the 7th trumpet sounding, but not necessarily at its beginning. John will rise to life again to “prophesy again” v.11. What a great privilege this will be for John and those who will be called to be saints.


Peter Dulis [toronto west]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

11:9  Whereas all people had to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar’s golden statue all people are to will have no regard for God’s servants.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

11:11   The ‘spirit of life … stood upon their feet’ quotes Eze 37:10. A passage which speaks of the revival of the nation of Israel in the last days. So the redemption of the saints is guaranteed by the fact that God has re-gathered natural Israel.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

11:15 Notice it is ‘kingdoms’ on both occasions. The kingdom of God, during the millennium, will have separately identifiable countries – we would expect that from Zech 14:8.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter
Rev 11:15 First Principles>Kingdom of God>To be Everlasting and world-wide
The Kingdom of God will be a literal kingdom on the earth and last for ever. For more details go to Dan 2:44
Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger
Rev 11:15 First Principles>Sure mercies of David>King
Jesus will be the future King.
For more about First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>King>, go to
2Sam 7:12-16.
Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger
Rev 11:15 First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>People>Christ's Rulership
Although Israel will be the people of God's Kingdom, Christ's rulership will be world-wide
Psa 72:11, Rev 11:15.
First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>People> For more information go to
Isa 55:1-3
Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger

New events, old symbols

Who are God's two witnesses in 11:3? Why do people rejoice when they're dead, even though they are obviously righteous men?

The answer to the second question is because they tormented people on the earth (11:10). So how can they be righteous if they tormented people? Again, the answer is in the context. Verse 5 and 6 describe plagues and miracles. Who do you know in the old testament who carried out these signs/plagues/miracles? And were they righteous to do so?

Once you turn to the old testament and find out which two prophets did all these signs, you will know who the two witnesses are, and the reason why they "tormented" people. This can then be applied to the context of the chapter to see what this symbol applies to in the Gentile period. As a clue, do you think v11 is the same event as Eze 37:10?


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Rob

11:18 The angry nations are those of Psa 2:1-2


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter