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- God has to remonstrate with Job to bring him back to Him. This seems so
sad, when at the start of the book, Job was so highly spoken of by God.
Perhaps this remonstration stems from words like those he said in ch.23:3 Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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Now Yahweh speaks to Job for the first time in the whole of the book. He challenges Job about his understanding of His creation using similar language and ideas to those used by Elihu. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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is interesting that God waits until Elihu has prepared Job's mind for this
onslaught (out of the whirlwind) before he presents it. God organises our
lives the same way. We need to be prepared by circumstances - perhaps over
years - before he might finally make a move on a particular issue. Let us
be sure to remain open to God's changing of us. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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all our discussions about how God does things - such as the way that we
try from time to time to explain the details of how the atonement works
- we should be aware that we cannot answer the questions that Yahweh directed
at Job. This should make us circumspect in the way that we speak about His
works. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 38:1
God can speak 'out of' many different circumstances. He spoke to Elijah
in a 'still small vioce' (1
Kings 19:12). The 'whirlwind' was to highlight God's power to Job. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| JOB 38. To show Job His universal power God speaks to him, to show him how small Job’s world was. God also shows him how limitless His creation was Earth: Where wast thou at the earth’s creation? v.4-7 Sea: The immense size of it. v.8-11 Light and dark: What was there source? v.12-21 The Weather: Did Job have control over it? v.22-30 The Stars: The entire universe. v.31-38 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| God spoke to Job, not to the friends. The Lord brings the whole of His creative power in front of Job, and thereby increases His Own power in Job's eyes, and reduces Job down to the level of a created being. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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Elihu's speech sensitized Job to the creative majesty of Yahweh. Now Yahweh speaks for Himself. Finally, Job has the meeting he wanted with the Yahweh (13:22-24). However, he does not get to ask specific questions about his condition or plead his innocence. Instead, he is compelled to listen to a perception check of the Almighty's position vis-à-vis that of man. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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Job is called into account in v.1-3, how often we don't know why God allows suffering - Do we complain what God is doing to bring us closer to Him? - The trials we often go through are not only for us, but those around us - Trial is a forceful reminder of true values Peter Dulis [toronto west] Comment added in 2005 reply to Peter |
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38:2 ‘words without knowledge’ echoes Elihu’s condemnation of Job – Job 35:16 indicating that whatever else we might think about Elihu he correctly assessed Job’s mind and attitude. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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38:4 God now challenges Job about His creative ability contrasting with Job’s comments in Job 26 where he challenges Bildad about creation. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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38:3 Job had repeatedly said that he wanted to debate his cause with God. Now he has his chance. However God’s approach is not the same as Man’s. He highlights His glory and contrasts that with Job’s weakness. Job’s desire to reason with God was based upon a complete misunderstanding of man’s relationship with God. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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JOY AT CREATION One of the aspects of creation that always gets my imagination going is what God fills in for us when he questions Job. He asked, "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? ... On what were it's footings set, or who laid it's cornerstone - while the morning stars sang together and the angels shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4,6,7) The Genesis account of creation gives us a very clinical, matter of fact record of how things happened. It deals with order, creative power, life cycles and patterns. But here, in Job, we learn of the emotion of creation. C.S.Lewis, in the first of his Chronicles of Narnia, The Magicians Nephew, describes the whole of creation as being set to music. Beginning with one lone voice that brought forth one lone light, gradually as more of creation was made, new voices were added until creation became a huge orchestra and choir singing for joy at the birth of a new world. C.S.Lewis may not have been far wrong as he imagined the morning stars singing together and the angels shouting for joy. We missed the first creation. We were too late. But a new creation is coming and we can look forward to adding our voices to the morning stars and angels as we sing and shout for joy at the rebirth of a new world in harmony with God. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Robert |
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Vs.22,23 The arsenal of natural phenomena that Yahweh has at his disposal makes man's armaments seem paltry. When Gog enters Israel, the divine shall destroy the invaders with what will appear as natural occurrences (Eze 38:22). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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38:31 in Challenging Job about the constellations God is reminding him of his own comments recorded in Job 9:5-10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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38:39-41 Having questioned Job and the majesty of the physical creation Job is now challenged about his ability to meet the needs of the animal kingdom. Thus against the majesty of God’s creation Job is caused to reflect on the way that God cares for His creation – and by implication Job himself. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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38:39-41 Having questioned Job and the majesty of the physical creation Job is now challenged about his ability to meet the needs of the animal kingdom. Thus against the majesty of God’s creation Job is caused to reflect on the way that God cares for His creation – and by implication Job himself. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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Job 38:16;Gen 7:11 - could this refer to some sort of hydrothermal vents? The Roman geographer Strabo (63 BC - 21 AD) was aware of springs arising from the ocean floor. Also, the ocean floor has cracks spewing out super heated water (660 degrees Fahrenheit plus) due to magma under the earth's crust - this was first discovered in 1977 by the research submersible "Alvin" near the Galapagos Islands. Job 38:16;Jon 2:5-6 - mountains and valleys exist at the bottom of the major seas. "The Challenger expedition (1873-1876) commenced the first scientific exploration of the ocean floor,during which a canyon 5 1/2 miles deep was discovered in the Pacific." From Christian Evidences, chapter 11 titled, "Scientific Foreknowledge in the Bible". Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Charles |
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v.8-9 - We are reminded that only a proportion of people will be saved,
and these by great afflictions to test and try their faith and prove that
they will stay with God throughout all these things. The trying by fire
is a common idea in scripture. If we are to be in that company that stand
in the last days rather than the 66% that are rejected, we must be sure
to withstand against the trials that God will surely visit upon us. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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13:2
unclean spirits Revelation 16:13 13:1 'fountain open for sin ...' Whilst there will be living waters flowing from Jerusalem - Zechariah 14:8 spiritual regeneration is what is spoken of here. 13:3 This regeneration is seen in the way that the false prophet is 'thrust through' reflecting the behaviour of Phinehas Numbers 25:7 who is commended in Malachi 2:5. 14:2
I will gather all nations Joel 1:3 14:5 'earthquake in the days of Uzziah' That must have been some earthquake to be appealed to as it took place generations earlier at least 240 years ago. 14:8 This description of water flowing from Jerusalem develops the waters which Ezekiel saw in vision. It is the water which will heal the Dead Sea Ezekiel 47:8 to allow fishers to fish at En Gedi Ezekiel 47:10. 14:20 'holiness to the Lord' is the engraving that was to be on the high priest's mitre Exodus 28:36 showing that everything in Jerusalem will be dedicated to serving the Lord. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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14:1
- At the time of writing (October 2002) this situation looks as if it could
well be just round the corner. World events are hotting up and it seems
almost inevitable that if this war goes ahead, Israel will be tied up right
in the middle of it. We could easily see all nations around Israel turn
against her as a result. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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13:7 The quotation of this verse in Matthew 26:31,Mark 14:27 to speak of the way in which Jesus was forsaken by the disciples must relate to the things we saw in Chapter 11. In Chapter 11 we see the behaviour of Judas in betraying Jesus. Here we see the way in which the rest of the disciples forsook Jesus and fled. So Zechariah shows us the solitude of the lord Jesus in him time of great trouble. 14:8 The simple statement 'in summer and in winter it shall be' marks a characteristic of streams in Israel. Many of the smaller ones are seasonal. They flow in the rainy season --often as raging torrents but in the summer - especially towards the end of the dry season - they carry no water at all. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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YOU READY? "A day of the LORD is coming," we read. It will be a day like no other but it will symbolise the transition between the rule of the kingdom of men on the earth and the kingdom of God. It will be the defining point when the trend away from righteousness is reversed and evil is not tolerated any more. It will be the day when Jesus returns to reign as king over Israel and over the whole world. It will be the beginning of the time when all people will turn to one world religion and will go up to Jerusalem every year to worship the LORD. And it will be a time when God will directly interveine in world affairs to direct them in a right way. You will be affected by these changes. Will you submit to them or resist them? Are you prepared to turn your whole life around to become God centred or is this life too valuable to you? Those of us who give our lives to God now will take the change much easier. What about you? Are you ready? Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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ch 13 - Notice the repeated us of 'in that day' starting in Chapter 12:3,8,9,11, 13:1,2,4. There is a continuation of the themes of Chapter 12 - despite the chapter division. We should try to work out which 'day' is being spoken of. 14:2 'the houses ravished', in quoting Isaiah 13:16. Isaiah is speaking of the way in which Babylon would be destroyed. Zechariah is quoting the same words to say to Israel that they would be treated in the same way as the Babylonians even though they have returned in fulfilment of the prophecy about the destruction of Babylon in Isaiah 14. Quite a chilling prophecy to those who could understand it. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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Zech 13:4. “The prophets shall be ashamed” The manifestation of Divine glory and truth in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ will cause all the false prophets to be ashamed of their error. (Zech 12:10) Also compare with Eze 43:11. Zech 13:9. When the Children of Israel turn to God in truth and in righteousness, He will acknowledge them as His people. (Jer 32:38, Hos 1:9-10) They will be incorporated into His family, and will bear His name as before. (Num 6:27) We as adopted Israelites, have that same opportunity if we truly turn to God in all our ways. How richly we all have been blessed. Zech 14:9. The proclamation that the LORD reigns on earth as a universal King in the person of His Son will be made in the Temple at its inaugural service.(Eze 43:7) Zech 14:21. We are told in Gen 9:25 that the Canaanites are a people cursed of God. The Canaanite was in the promised land when Abraham arrived.(Gen 12:6) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| 14:4 following the "lamb" catches the command of Jesus. A typical example or many is Matt 16:24 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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13:4 The 'rough garment' is, in the RV margin 'hairy garment' so here we have a reference to the deceit of Jacob when he sought to take the birthright Gen 27:16 14:9 In saying that 'the Lord shall be king over all the earth' Zechariah is telling the returning exile that things are going to be at least as good as they were in the days of Solomon when he reigned over a vast area of territory. Whilst this did not happen in the days of the prophet we know it will happen when the lord Jesus Christ returns to be 'king of kings and lord of lords' Rev 19:16
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13:6 It is not written that he was wounded by his friends, for that would not be a fact. But, the house of his friends. They were not friends that pierced him!
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| 14:7 Time will no longer be measured in days, for night will never fall. "That day" will be one continuous day (Isa 60:19-20, Rev 21:25, Rev 22:5), and so its light will not be dependent on sun, moon, or stars John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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| Dan 7:13-14; Zech 14:16-17- a future time of peace when Christ returns and the nations worship him in Jerusalem. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Charles |
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Jesus, the true shepherd of Israel, was crucified (13:7). When He returns to earth, it will be in triumph, and the Jews will see him for who He is (12:10; John 19:37). He will be the fountain of cleansing for His people (13:1), and will save them from the enemy, Gog and partners, who are destroying the land of Israel. Many Jews will die by the enemy, but the Lord will save one-third (13:8,9). In Jerusalem, He will save half the city (14:2). The topography of the city and region will be radically altered by a great earthquake (14:4,8,10). Waters from the Mediterranean will flow through, and a passage for the Dead Sea to drain into the Red Sea will be created. The Salt Sea will no longer be dead. A great plateau will be created in Jerusalem. This area will be ideal for the new temple which will be built, according to Ezekiel's specifications. True worship will be established, and there will be zero tolerance for false worship (13:3). False prophets will try to conceal their identity and deny their past practices (13:4-6). The reference to wounds in thine hands are to the practices of cutting oneself to entreat a false deity (e.g. the false prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel 1Kin 18:26-28). When Jesus reigns, holiness shall abound (14:20,21). All nations will be obliged to worship Him in Jerusalem; otherwise they shall be cut off (14:17). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| Zech 14:1-11 says that the nations will agree together, (possibly via the United Nations Security Council?), to go against Jerusalem. The battle will be half through, but then Jesus will come and save them. He went up to Heaven from the Mount of Olives, and He will return to the same place. The world will then be governed from Jerusalem, with appropriate punishments for those who do not obey King Jesus. “Holiness to the Lord” was carved in gold on the mitre of the High Priest under Moses’ law, (Exo 28:36). In the kingdom age the same words will even be on the horses’ bridles, (Zech 14:20). Everything in those days will give glory to God. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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13:2 The cessation of idol worship and false prophets is due to God’s intervention. By teaching the people His laws and them being in their hearts the idol worship will cease and the false prophets will vanish. Correct teaching willingly accepted drives out error. 14:2 In saying ‘I will gather all nations to Jerusalem’ Zech, in quoting Joel 3:2 must have caused anxiety to the inhabitants newly returned from Babylon. Joel’s words had been fulfilled when the Babylonians destroyed the city – and now Zech is saying the same will happen again! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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13:9 The way in which God was going to ‘try’ the people ‘as gold’ is picked up – 1Pet 1:7 – to speak of the way in which His servants are developed in this life. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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13:9 The deliverance of one third and their refining will be a fulfillment of Isa 48:10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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13:2 The time when the idols will not be remembered any more was prophesied in Hos 14:3 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| Zech 14:9 First Principles>Kingdom of God>To be Everlasting and world-wide The Kingdom of God will be a literal kingdom on the earth and last for ever. For more details go to Dan 2:44 Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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| Zech 14:16 First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>Capital City>Jerusalem Glorified Jerusalem, rebuilt and glorified, will become the metropolis of God's Kingdom which will embrace all nations. Psa 48:2, Isa 52:1, Isa 60:14, Jer 3:17, Zech 14:16, Matt 5:34-35 First Principles>Sure Mercies of David> For more details go to Isa 55:1-3. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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13:1 Zechariah speaks of the ‘fountain open’ – quoting Joel 3:18– saying that these words of Joel will be fulfilled to the returning exiles. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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- Being clothed upon our nakedness, taken spiritually, is a scripture theme
from Eden to the end. This picks up on language of
ch.3:4,18, and reminds us also of Exo.32:25,
Isa.47:3, Eze.16:37, Hos.2:3, Hab.2:15, 2Cor.5:3. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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15:2 This 'sea of glass' is the same sea of glass which we saw in Revelation 4:6. The description is one of the redeemed who have avoided association with the beast system. That there are redeemed men and women there gives us confidence. We know that we can be amongst those. it is possible to, through the blood of the lamb, overcome the world, through our faith 1 John 5:4 The traditional interpretation of this chapter sees the fulfilment of these things largely in the 19th century. The encouraging thing for us is to realise that our God is at work in the kingdom of men now. Even though things may appear to be in chaos we can be sure that the purpose of God is being worked out and that He will send Jesus to the earth. Acts 17:31. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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Leviticus 26 - and it's parallel chapter Deuteronomy 28 - list the punishments that will fall upon Israel if they are disobedient. The use of the 'seven plagues' forces the point that God punishes those who should know His will.
The use of Exodus 7 and the plagues on Egypt as the basis of the second vial shows that the judgements of God are against the (false) gods of His enemies. (Exodus 12:12) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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Yet another echo of Daniel's time and the confrontation with the great Nebuchadnezzar.
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15:3 "Just and true are thy ways" quotes Deut 32:4 which is part of the song of Moses referred to above. It is the song to commemorate the end of the wilderness journey with the prospect of entering the inheritance. Highly fitting at this point in Revelation. 16:1,17 This chapter marks the end of the use of the phrase "A voice "out of "the temple". It is found in 14:15,17, Rev 14:6 and here. The phrase always introduces judgement. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 16:15 To walk naked is to be rejected at the judgement seat, and so denied the clothing of immortality. It is worth noting that the word "naked" connects the warning given to the Laodiceans Rev 3:17. We are all aware from Genesis that to walk naked is a disgrace. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Chapter 15 is a re-iteration of the triumph of the redeemed saints over the false system of worship. This system is described by certain aspects in 15:2. The beast represents its political power; the image represents its religious philosophy; the number of his name (666) (13:18) represents its moral essence which is fleshly (worldly) (6 being the number of man). Chapter 16 recounts historical events which have largely been completed. Armageddon, the battle of the great day of God Almighty (16:14,16) has yet to take place. Presently, nations are being positioned in the political heavens which will ultimately culminate in that great showdown. The dragon, beast, and false prophet have an integral part in these manoeuvres (16:13). Traditional Christadelphian analysis describes the dragon as Russia; the beast as Europe; and the false prophet as the papacy. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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15:3 There is no ‘song of Moses and song of the lamb’ in Scripture. As previously mentioned there are three references to the song of Moses. However it is fitting that there is a song of Moses and of the Lamb. Joined, as it were, in unison. Moses delivered Israel from Egypt – a figure of death. Jesus – the lamb – delivered us from sin and death. The pattern and fulfillment are, thus, seen together. 16:8 The ‘sun’ here is a political power, not the orb in the sky that gives us warmth. So a consequence of the judgment will be that the political power spoken of will oppress man. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| 15:8 There will be no priestly intercession for the world on a national basis, until the judgements are completed. At the conclusion of that time, the nations that remain will be invited to worship before the King in Jerusalem, at the time of the feast of tabernacles as we have read in our second reading today.(Zech 14:16) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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16:1 ‘Vials’ are symbols of judgement. There are other words that could be used to symbolize a container, ‘horn’ for example. Whenever we read of a ‘vial’ we should be anticipating judgement or disapproval. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 15:2 There is not anything as peaceful as the sight of a lake as smooth as glass first thing in the morning. this here is a picture of the nations at rest, the opposite to their situation in the past (Isa 57:20). Fire is a symbol of war, even though the nations have been involved in many battles, at this time that will be a thing of the past. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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Vials (bowls) contain Yahweh's judgements which have been dispensed within the past three centuries. The sixth vial, for example, was the decline, and ultimate disappearance, of the Ottoman Empire starting around 1802 (16:12). The seventh vial will be the judgement upon the apostasy (the false system of worship), and the political powers who will resist Jesus when He returns. And so, now we are waiting for the seventh and final vial to be distributed. Needless to say, that means we are living in the end times. Now is the time to put our houses in order before it is too late. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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16:12The drying up of the waters is like the judgement upon Babylon – Jer 50:38 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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15:4 That the nations would worship before eh redeemed echoes Jesus words – Rev 3:9 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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16:2 The angels go out to pour out God’s wrath on those who have the mark of the beast. There is no time taken to separate out those who are sealed with the mark of God because they have already been delivered. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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