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- Emerods, which strictly translates to haemorrhoids, probably referred to infectious
boils of a serious and potentially fatal nature. They were a clear demonstration
of the power of God, which he caused to follow the Ark wherever it went, causing
them to give it back after just 7 months. God also spoke to them through their
own priests and diviners (6:2),
and led the kine that pulled the cart (6:12),
thereby proving, by the sign set up by him through the words of the diviners,
that he was indeed the force behind their sufferings. At least they learned from
the experiences of Egypt (6:6). Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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5 v.6 - Even though the capture of the ark was a punishment from Yahweh the actions of the Philistines were not justified. Therefore the hand of the Lord was heavy on them. 6
v.9 - Bethshemesh
was in the land of Judah see
v1 [Joshua
15:10] Given to the
sons of Aaron see
v 13 [Joshua
21:13 - 16] It was
the place where the Ark rested when it returned from the Philistines [1Samuel
6:9 12 13 15 19 20] Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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v.19 - Here we have a carrying out of the promised action of God for those
who look upon Him - Exo.19:21.
In Exodus, the people kept their distance and no evil befell them but here these
men of Bethsehmesh were overcome with curiosity and looked into the holy things
of God and suffered much death for their action. We have to remember in this day
and age of tolerance and social compassion, as it were, that the God we worship
only loves and cares for those who turn to Him. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| ch 5 - Whilst
the ark had been settled in Shiloh there was no rest in Philistine country. It
went from :1
Ashdod to :8
Gath and then to Ekron, each of the cities being plagued when the ark was there.
The ark, which the Philistines thought would be a wonderful trophy, actually became
a stumbling stone to them.
6:16-17 The mention of the five lords of the Philistines and the five cities seems to indicate that the Philistines, rather than sending the ark to all of the five cities decided that the ark was 'too hot to handle' after only three cities had been plagued. The five mice indicate that all five lords felt that they were guilty even though they had not had the ark in their city. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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5:3,4 'fallen upon his face to the earth' is quoted (1 Samuel 17:49) to speak of the fate of Goliath. Their God was dead and this prefigured their champion. 6:19 So even though the men had seen a great deliverance and doubtless (or maybe not) realised that God had brought the ark back they still violated the sanctity of God by looking into the ark. Maybe they would justify their actions by saying that they wanted to check if the two tables of stone were still there. We can always justify our actions can't we? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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5:5 The way that the Philistines superstitiously avoided treading on the threshold of the house of Dagon was mimicked by Israel (Zeph 1:9) in their false worship. 6:13 hat the men of Bethshemesh were 'reaping their wheat harvest' provides incidental evidence that we are shortly after the tie of passover. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 6:7 The object in making a new cart for the purpose seems to have been not only for cleanliness and neatness, but from an impression that there would have been an impropriety in using one that had applied to meaner or more common service. David also used a new cart when he brought the ark up from Kirjath-Jearin. 2Sam 6:3 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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God showed how displeased He was with Israel, when the ark was returned. The town on Beth-shemesh
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5:3,4 Yahweh's opposition to the Philistines and their half man/half fish god Dagon is reminiscent of His enmity with Egypt and its false gods. In Egypt's case, ten gods were addressed with ten plagues to the end that the children of Israel were freed. With the Philistines, one false god was countered and two plagues ensued to the end that the ark would be freed. 5:6,9 Yahweh smote the Philistines with deadly hemorrhoidal tumors (piles). He also smote the land with a plague of mice (6:5). The Philistines must have known, however, that Yahweh was approachable through trespass (guilt) offerings as they made models of their tumors and mice out of gold (the most precious metal) to appease Him (6:3,4). This episode illustrates that it is a most dangerous thing to oppose Yahweh (Psa 37:20; Heb 10:31). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Michael |
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5:7 The men of Ashdod realized that the ark should not remain with them, they successfully moved it to several of the large towns of the country, but the same pestilence broke out in every place and raged so fiercely and fatally that the authorities were forced to send the ark back into the land of Israel (V.8-10) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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The five Philistine lords had witnessed many infallible proofs that the LORD was lord over their gods. In 5:2-4 God topples and breaks the image of Dagon. In v 6, 9, 11 He strikes the people of the chief cities of Ashdod, Gath, and Ekron with plagues of tumors and rats. In 6:5 the assessment of these lords, rightly, was that the hand of God was against their gods. These five lords of the Philistines watched as the Ark returned to Israel in miraculous fashion, proclaiming that it was the LORD, and not chance events, that had plagued them (6:9-12). And so, in 6:16 they saw the manner of worship of the Levites, witnessing a burnt offering to the LORD. Surely these five men would now draw near and ask to become followers of the God which had exalted Himself above their gods? But they didn't, and they returned to Ekron the same day. What do you suppose they did there? In 2Kin 1:2 we read of a new god, Baal-zebub, lord of the flies, and prince of demons. Having been given the choice, these superstitious people had decided to serve a god representing the pestilence which the true God had sent upon them; the prince of demons, rather than the Lord of lords. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Rob |
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5:7 The response of the men of 6:7 Notice that the Philistines are aware, and remember, what God had done in Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| 5:1,8,10; 6:3,4,5,13,14,15,16,21 - the Philistines (symbolic of sin?) captured the ark of the covenent but couldnt hold it (perhaps symbolic of how sin bruised the heel of Christ but couldnt hold him as he was victorious over sin Gen 3:15) and had to release it after having it in 3 cities (not unlike the 3 days Christ spent in the pit followed by a resurrection); The Philistines made a tresspass offering of sorts so the God of Israel would have mercy on them and we read of the number "5" (many feel 5 is the number of mercy and grace) repeatedly mentioned; v13 "Beth Shemesh" (1053) means "house of (the) sun" perhaps suggesting light as Christ is the light and the wheat harvest (symbolically Christ about to feed them with the bread of life? or followers reaping a spiritual harvest?); v14 field of Joshua/Jesus of Beth Shemesh and then we have a large rock (symbolic of Jesus? or symbolic of the stone blocking the tomb and the light of the resurrection?), we have the wood chopped (the wooden cross?) and a sacrifice; v16 after the sacrifice we again have the mention of 5 (mercy and grace offered to Gentiles too?); v21 "Kiriath Jearim" (7157) means "city of forrests", etc. perhaps symbolically emphasizing the importance of the crucifixion or how saints will themselves take up the cross and cleave unto Christ. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Charles |
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| 6:21 The men of Bethshemesh sent a message to Kirjath-jearim, which would have been about 12 miles away to come and take the ark away, wanting nothing to do with it. The priests at Bethshemesh should have been aware of what the problem was. When the ark was being moved, it had to covered with the veil of the tabernacle, to keep it from the sight of the peoples (Num 4:5). It appears that from the time the ark left Shiloh it had been uncovered. It is not surprising then, that it had become a token of judgment against all who kept iy in an uncovered condition. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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6:7 The Philistines used cows that were suckling their young to pull the cart carrying the ark. Then they took their calves away. The natural thing for the cows to do would be to follow a path to their young. The unnatural direction would be away from the calves. The Philistines reckoned that the direction the cows took would indicate whether the God of Israel was (supernaturally) directing the cows or not. 6:19 The KJV records that 50,070 men of Beth-Shemesh died. Some scholars believe that this number is due to a copyist's error. The Septuagint, plus Josephus, records that the number is 70, hence that is number found in modern versions. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Michael |
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| The word translated "emerods" in the KJV is "tekhore" 02914, which can mean tumours or haemorrhoids. Haemorrhoids, although often painful, are not usually life threatening. The fact that these tumours are linked with the mice, and that widespread disease, suffering & death was the result, makes one wonder whether it wasn't a form of the "plague" which struck Europe/UK repeatedly over the centuries. The bug, Yersinia pestis, which caused the infection & death, was then carried by rats. Wendy Johnsen [Nanaimo, BC, Canada] Comment added in 2006 reply to Wendy |
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6:1 The ark being in the land of the Philistines ‘seven months’ contrasts with the seven days that the ark was round Jericho – Heb 11:30 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| LESSONS FROM THE PAST Almost 400 years previously, Israel had been slaves in Egypt. It was there that God brought plagues on the Egyptians and forced them to let the Children of Israel go. Even though this happened almost 400 years previously, the lessons gained from this period about the might of God and his care for Israel were still fresh in the minds of the Philistines. As the Philistines asked their priests what to do about the ark of the LORD, the priests suggested sending it back to Israel with a guilt offering to appease God's wrath. They said, "Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When he treated them harshly, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way?" (1Sam 6:6) The Philistines had not forgotten the lessons they had been taught through seeing God working in the nation of Israel - even after 400 years! We are very blessed to have the Bible and all its lessons so freely available for us to read and learn from. Even though much of it happened thousands of years ago, God has not changed and neither has human nature. Let's not let the Philistines put us to shame when it comes to learning lessons from God's word and putting them into practice. Instead let us turn our ears to wisdom and our hearts to understanding and be responsive to the lessons God teaches us. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Robert |
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The five principal cities of the Philistines, Ashdod, Gaza, Ashkelon, Gath, and Ekron, were ruled by five lords (Josh 13:3). Yahweh's opposition to them here parallels that of Goliath and his brothers, which would occur later. David, who slew Goliath, knew that the giant had four brothers which would account for his selection of five stones (1Sam 17:40). Subsequently, Goliath's brothers were also slain (2Sam 21:16-21). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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6:7 We might think that the ‘new cart’ which David later used – 2Sam 6:3 was imitating the Philistines but doubtless David’s motives were higher than just imitating the Philistines. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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The Philistines had witnessed and accepted the supremacy of the God of Israel over their own god Dagon. And yet, it did not spur them to alter their religious affiliation. Furthermore, in later conflicts with the Israelites, they had forgotten the supreme power of Yahweh and had to be reminded of it again. Unfortunately, the same pattern of forgetfulness applied to the Israelites also. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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5:12 The way in which ‘the cry of the city went up to heaven’ was matched by a change in behaviour on the part of the Philistines – they sent the ark back – is not matched in Israel. The same language being used – Jer 14:2 – to mark the contrast. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| 1Sam 6:13 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment 2. Saul was made king 1Sam 9:15,16,27, 1Sam 10:1 followed by David 1Sam 6:13, Solomon 1Kin 1:32-34, 1Chron 28:5 then Rehoboam 1Kin 11:43, 2Chron 9:31. Go to Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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5:3 The Philistine god Dagon was half man/half fish, and resembled a merman. The top half of the statute was a man who had a mitre on his head depicting the head of a fish. The bottom half of the idol was the body of a fish. Interestingly, the Hebrew word for fish is dag. Ancient Babylonian depictions of Dagon show a man with a fish-head mitre on his head, and a cloak, in the shape of a fish body, trailing down his back. Compare the Babylonian illustration with the garb of the pope and his cousin, the Archbishop of Canterbury. They are the same, except the fish motif on the cloak has been modified. This is just one example of how the false system of worship in the world today derived from Babylonian idolatry. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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6:13 Bethshemesh was a city of the priests – Josh 21:16 – so they should have known not to touch or look in the ark. But God was sending the ark to a place where there were priests to take care of it. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| v.3
- This idea of comfort from God is quite a common theme in Isaiah: 12:1,
40:1,2, 49:13, 54:6-8, 61:1-3 (relates it to the work of Jesus) 66:10-14. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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- This is the middle of three occasions when Isaiah speaks of 'everlasting
joy' Isaiah
35:10 51:11 61:7 The
recurring them is to mark that despite the traumas of the Assyrian invasion there
will be a glorious age for the faithful. This will be when the captivity of Zion
is finally turned. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.16
- We are frequently reminded in scripture of this very important lesson that the
words spoken by the prophets were indeed the words of the Lord God Himself. It
is important that we grasp this direct revelation and reverence God's word as
a result, as it is God's words, not those of the men that penned them. 50:4,
59:21, Deut.18:18, John 3:34, 8:38-40, 17:8. We can infer from this last reference
that the faithful passing on of the words of another could also fit this argument.
Let us then be sure to do just that. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| Another echo in
Zechariah where the prophet is encouraging the people on their return from Babylon.
51:3 The Lord shall comfort Zion Zechariah 1:17 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| OUR COMFORT Israel has had their share of fear and terror. Throughout time, after they had turned away from God, their enemies had come in and brought them to their knees, killing, raping, looting, burning and driving them into exile. God's point in this chapter is that Israel's enemies are only mortal. In the end, they too will drink the cup they have forced on Israel and will be reduced to terror themselves. God has promised to comfort Israel, and, being the eternal, living, all-powerful God, he will fulfil his promise. He shows us a picture of Israel in their comforted state: "They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their heads. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away." The same promise of comfort, I believe, applies to us. We should not fear what men can do to us or be dismayed by the problems we face in this life. All this is only temporary and will pass away to make room for something much better. God is our comfort and he will fulfil his promises. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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The call to wakefulness is against the background of Jerusalem having been judged
by God. Whilst the people who heard Isaiah's words may well have thought that
the Assyrian invasion was the judgement that was but a foreshadow of what Jeremiah
calls 'the time of Jacob's trouble' (Jeremiah
30:7). Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 51:1,4,7 Notice the threefold 'hearken'. The only ones who actually do 'hearken' are those who :1 follow righteousness :4 who are actually His people :7 and know righteousness. Many might say they listen to God but it only those who know and observe Him who actually listen to what they hear. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.6 This is an end of a dispensation which has served only to expose man's helpless inability to work out his own salvation. but, by contrast; "My salvation shall be for ever, and My rightousness shall not be abolished." Then Messiah is apostrophized as the First-born of a New Creation. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Vs.5,6 Israel is given the hope of deliverance and everlasting peace. This promise is given that will be realized through the Messiah. The old (political) heavens and earth shall disappear to be replaced by the new in the Kingdom (Isa 65:17; 2Pet 3:13). Look at the phrase, my salvation. The word salvation in Hebrew is yeshua (Jesus) which is clearly referring to our Lord, the Messiah, whose kingdom shall endure forever (Dan 2:44). Furthermore: my righteousness shall not be abolished (v.6). Again this is referring to Jesus who is given the title The Lord our Righteousness (Jer 23:5,6). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Michael |
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| What a lovely thought is expressed in the first verse, Isa 51:1! Israel, and in the same sense us, as spiritual Israel, have been cut from the rock, and digged from the pit. “I am He that comforteth you:” says God (Isa 51:12). Of whom then will we be afraid? David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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51:9,17 There is a call to God that He should ‘awake’ to which He responds that Israel should ‘awake’ and turn away from her idolatry. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| V.10,11 - we have two Hebrew words that are sometimes translated and/or transposed as the same in English in various places and are sometimes used together but by looking at the Hebrew we come to a fuller meaning of their differences and similarities; v10 "ransomed" (KJV) "redeemed" (NIV) [Heb. "ga'al" (1350) means "to redeem, to be the next of kin (and as such buy back a relative's property, mary his widow, etc.), avenger, deliver, (do, perform the part of the near, next) kinfolk (-man), purchase, ransom, redeem (-er), revenger", etc.]; v11 "redeemed" (KJV) "ransomed" (NIV) [Heb. "padah" (6299) means "to sever, i.e. ransom, to release, preserve, deliver, ransom, (that are to be, let be) redeem (-ed), rescue", etc.]. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Charles |
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Those who seek the LORD are not always the ones who are manifestly doing so. Often in the history of Israel it had been the pious and visibly religious leaders that were the most un-Godly. Repeatedly it was the Gentile converts here and there that showed more faith in God, for example Caleb, Rahab, and Uriah. The reason for this can be seen in the wording of the start of this chapter: "Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness, you who seek the LORD". It is much easier for someone who is away from God to realise the need to find Him, as these Gentiles did. Once they found God, the one they had sought, they viewed it as a very precious thing. The Israelite leaders, however, had it all handed to them on a plate and therefore didn't seem to appreciate the need to seek and pursue God. There is a danger for us in this too. Many of us have been born into families where the LORD God of Israel is mentioned daily. We somehow feel that finding him isn't too difficult and that there is no urgency about it. However, for us the opposite is true. When we take the example of Israel (those who were born God's people) we see the real error of this way of thinking. Those who thought they were nearest to God were in fact the furthest away. We should realise instead how far away we are from Him and resolve to seek Him and pursue righteousness. For those of us not brought up with God as part of that upbringing, we should see ourselves privileged to have found God in a world which tries to obscure the way to Him. We should pursue all the more that precious knowledge we have found. In this chapter we see how the Gospel would be preached to God's people, and then to the rest of the world through the work of the Lord Jesus (v3-5). Now that Jesus has been revealed to us, righteousness is very near to us (v5) and we may be called His people (v4). All this is possible if we seek God and pursue the righteousness which is by faith like Abraham's example (v1-2, Gal 3:6-9) Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Rob |
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51:1 The call to them that ‘follow after righteousness’ was a call to Israel to look beyond the law of Moses to the character of God. This is something Israel really had problems doing so Paul – Rom 10:8 – shows that they were still trying to establish their own righteousness b doing the law. Are we the same? Rather more concerned to highlight the good things we do rather than trust in the God who saves those who cannot save themselves. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 51:19 The calamity of famine and the sword was upon the nation of Israel for almost 2,000 years. It was far too great a dilemma for any human solution; there was no human national leader to lead them, or to guide them. Their only hope was the God of Israel. we go back to 1948, and we can clearly see how the hand of God was with Israel in the re-establishment of Israel as a nation. We often think how richly blessed those of our generation are, when in fact we can remember the events that took place in both 1947 and 1948. The Jewish people have not always had a home land. Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles for almost 2,000 years. We were able to witness these miracles take place by the hand of God. The majority of people have only witnessed history for 50 years. The nation has not been forgotten "Thou art my people" (V.16) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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Vs.9,10 In the Ancient Near East, Rahab was a mythical sea monster. Rahab came to symbolize Egypt and epitomize sin. Yahweh dried up the Red Sea to allow safe passage for Israel. Sea monsters cannot live on dry land, and so Yahweh effectively eliminated Rahab in this act. In drowning the pursuing Egyptians, Yahweh covered sin as an enactment of baptism (1Cor 10:1,2). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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51:15, Isa 51:15 Dividing the sea as Israel came out of Egypt was the act of making a covenant – Psa 136:13 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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51:11 The redeemed who return to Zion returns to the earlier words of the prophet – Isa 35:10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Vs.1-3 Yahweh exhorts His people to turn to Him because He has promised that they (the remnant) will enjoy the blessings of the Kingdom (See, for example, Psa 72:16; Isa 11:6-9). V.14 In the original sense, Cyrus would be the liberator of Yahweh’s people. In the end times, it will be Jesus, the Messiah, who will free Israel from the clutch of the enemy. Remember that Hebrew prophecy often has duel applications; first, the more immediate historical use; then, the end-time manifestation. Also, characters in the first use are types for the secondary application. Thus, Cyrus is a type of Christ. V.15 Yahweh, as creator, can physically make the sea toss (divided KJV; stirs up ESV), and the waves to roar (Jer 31:35). But, He can make peoples and nations do this in the figurative sense (Eze 26:3). In this case, Yahweh is talking about Cyrus and Persia; and Jesus with His immortalized saints. V.16 Yahweh has instructed both Cyrus and Jesus to do His will. V.17 Yahweh caused Jerusalem to fall in 586 BC and Judah to be led captive to Babylon. In the end times, Yahweh will cause Jerusalem to be sacked again (Zech 14:2). Vs.18-23 These verses apply only to the end time destruction of Jerusalem and its people, since after the exile there were those to guide because Ezekiel, Daniel, Ezra, and Nehemiah were there. In the end-time application it will be Jesus who will give the cup of trembling (KJV); bowl of wrath (ESV) to the enemy (Zech 14:2-4). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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v7 appears to refer to the insults of the Rabshakeh in 36:4-10, 13-20 and Sennacherib in 37:9-13. v8 the moth eaten garment would appear to refer to the premature end of the glorious Assyrian army (37:36). This also appears in 50:9 probably referring to the same. v12 confirms v7-9 by saying the same in different language. v6 the heavens and earth disappear. Then in v16 they are re-made. In v13 the LORD says He alone stretches out the heavens and lays the foundation of the earth. Is that possible? In 49:13 the heavens and earth sing and rejoice. So it is obviously just picture language, and we need to look at the context to find out what they depict. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Rob |
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| First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>Land>Jesus will rule v3 The land is desolate for centuries (Lev 26:33) but it will be like the garden of Eden. Isa 51:3, Eze 36:35. This will be the land of the Kingdom. First Principles>Sure Mercies of David>Land> For more information go to Psa 72:8. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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51:2 If Israel were to reflect upon the way that God had multiplied Abraham from ‘one’ to a multitude they would not fear their enemies. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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12 v.7-11 - The battle is won, not by might nor power but by 'the blood of the lamb' marking the way in which we were redeemed. We cannot buy our salvation [1 Peter 1:18-19] nor can we win it by our own strength [Romans 5:6]. It is a gift through faith. [Romans 5:1] 13 v.9 - The call to listen with open ears echoes Jesus' repeated use of the idea in the gospels [Matthew 11:15 13:9,43 Mark 4:9,23 7:16 Luke 8:8 14:35] and in earlier chapters in Revelation [Revelation 2:7,11,17,29 3:6,13,22 13:9] And contrasts with Israel who were 'dull of hearing' because they had closed their ears. [Zechariah 7:11] Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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So here we are - right back in the garden of Eden - seeing the long planned salvation through the seed of the woman
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| WORSHIP GOD. The Bible tells us over and over that we must worship the Lord our God and worship him only. It also tells us that we must not worship idols, people or anything else that might be set up in opposition to the one true living God. As Christians then, we need to concentrate our attention on the Lord our God and on his Son, Jesus Christ. We need to make sure that they take the Number One place in our lives and that all our worship is reserved only for them. We need to make sure that our worship is true and not just a matter of lip service because the time may come when the whole world will be carried away with the worship of a false god, which Revelation calls the Beast. We read that "All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast - all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." And, "He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed." And later, "... and cause all who refuse to worship the image to be killed." Let us resolve now to make sure our worship of God is true and strong so that we recognize false worship when it comes and can stand firm in our faith. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Robert |
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The way in which Ezekiel - speaking about Egypt and Daniel 7 - speaking about the Roman Empire and Daniel 8 - speaking of the Greeks are drawn together shows that this chapter is speaking of a force which manifests characteristics of all these nations. The use of Daniel in this chapter highlights the value of understanding what Daniel is speaking about before trying to sort out what Revelation is talking about.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| Rev 12:9. One must be clear of what is literal and what is figurative. If v.9 is figurative, then the war (v.7) can not be literal. Heaven could not be a place of an angelic rebellion, when we consider the Lord’s Prayer. Matt 6:10. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2003 reply to John |
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| 12:4 The destruction of the "third part" is a recurring feature in Revelation found here and Rev (8:9,10,11,12, 9:15,18). Ezekiel speaks of judgements upon Israel in third parts twice in Eze 5:2,12 13:17 In saying that the time would come when men would not be able to "buy" unless they have the mark of the beast we see a contrast and warning. Jesus called the brethren in Laodicea to "buy"(Rev 3:18) from him. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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A quick overview of these two chapters shows that they deal with the rise of the apostate church that would oppose the Truth and its believers. The apostate church was able to operate with the blessing of the Emperor Constantine who embraced Christianity for his own political ends. Thus, Imperial Rome became the state sponsor of the so-called Christian church. Constantine endorsed the Council of Nicaea's declaration of the doctrine of the Trinity (325 AD), and commanded that it must be believed by all Christians. Those who did not were deemed heretics and subject to abuse. This abuse continued for many centuries resulting in horrible conditions and death for true believers. The Lord Jesus will finally destroy this false system of worship when He returns. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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12:7 Whilst it may seem obvious that there is a physical battle going on it clearly speaks of a conflict between two ideologies. 13:5 Whilst we have identified the ‘mouth speaking great things’ with Dan 7:8 we must also be aware of a New Testament link with Jude 1:16. Thus we see that what Revelation has to say had immediate relevance as well as a longer term fulfillment. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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12:5The man child quotes Isa 66:7. His qualities match those that Jesus ascribes to his servants – Rev 2:27 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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12:4 The drawing of the stars of heaven is seen earlier in Dan 8:10. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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12:6 A woman goes into the wilderness here for deliverance and we see a woman returning riding a beast – Rev 17:3 – is it the same woman who has been seduced by that which she fled from? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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12:1 Remember that Revelation is a book of symbols. The symbols of this verse are: -heaven This represents a political heaven and not a celestial one. -woman This is a generic term for a female. It could represent the bride of Christ (the true ecclesia), but here it symbolizes a break-away religious system. Her attire will explain more. -the sun represents governing authority. Many pagan gods, such as the Egyptian Ra (the sun god), were considered rulers. -moon under her feet Anything under the feet is in subjection to what is above. The moon is subject to the sun for light. And so, symbolically, the moon is reliant on the sun (government) for support. In this case, the moon represents the apostate church (under the aegis of the woman) which would need government support to advance. -crown symbolizes victory. The woman, who we now see as symbolizing a religious system, has gained victory (domination) over all other religious claimants. -twelve stars represents twelve princes (rulers) who would facilitate the apostate system to succeed. Twelve is a representative number for a totality. Can you think of other twelves, or multiples, in scripture, that can show you this kind of completeness. Put together the pieces from above. Where have you seen a statue or picture of such an image? 12:2,5 The child represents Constantine. 12:3 the dragon was a symbol of military Rome. 12:6 The woman here is the true ecclesia (The Bride of Christ) who was subject to persecution from the amalgamation of Constantine (Imperial Rome) with the apostate ecclesia that would become ecclesiastical Rome. And so, the woman had to flee. She would exist for 1260 years. Michael means one who is like the Son of God. In this case, it represents Constantine who acted as if he were the Son of God. He fought against pagan Rome in the name of ecclesiastical Rome. He won (12:9). 12:10-12 Constantine and the Roman Church celebrate their victory in the name of Christ. The inhabitants of the earth are warned that the Roman Church will conquer those who do not believe as they do. 12:13-17 Now begins the persecution of the true ecclesia (woman) who, nevertheless will be sustained, as an entity, for 1260 days. If reckoned from Constantine in 312 AD, this would bring the time up to 1572 AD, the date of The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre. Chapter 13 will be discussed in December Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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- Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Charles |
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While some of Revelation is quite clear, Im not fully confident in any of the various interpretations. When Christ returns the faithful will fully understand (1Cor 13:12). Rev 12:1 - Heaven refers to political heavens. A woman clothed with the sun, etc. is not literal. We have a similar description in Genesis (Gen 37:9-11) and it is suggested the sun is Jacob, the moon Leah, the stars leaders of the 12 tribes of Israel so the woman would be the ideal Israel at this stage. The woman finds her true beginning with Eve and the serpent (i.e. sin) is standing before her ready to devour her seed upon birth (Gen 3:15-16;Isa 7:14;Matt 1:21-23). Rev 12:2 - Israel suffered waiting for the redeemer to be delivered (Rom 8:22). Rev 12:3 - We have a red dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns (Rev 12:9-10) and similar beasts (Rev 13:1;Rev 17:3). The red dragon is the accuser of the brethren, is universally hostile to God's people (esp. the son of this woman) and gives power to the beast (Rev 13:2) which would be human institutions opposed to that which is good (Eph 6:12). Rev 12:4 - The stars cast down to heaven have an echo in Daniel (Dan 8:3,9,10) which suggests persecutions of the people of God would be from roots following Alexander the Great's empire. The dragon is the sum of human sinfulness and operates through human powers (i.e. the beast). Rev 12:5 - The child is elevated to the highest position he could attain. Christ will rule all nations with a rod of iron (Psa 2:6-12;110:1-2;Isa 11:1,4;Gen 49:10;Num 24:17,19;Psa 45:6-7;Matt 2:1-2;Heb 1:8;Rev 2:27-28;Rev 19:15-16;Rev 22:16.) Rev 12:6 - At various times the woman is in the wilderness. Herod attempted to kill the young child (Jer 31:15;Matt 2:13-19). 1260 days may refer to Christ's ministry along with John the Baptist's literal and spiritual wilderness preparation with Israel (Isa 40:3;Matt 3:1-3). The woman has a coming apostacy (Rev 12:14). Rev 12:7-9 - This is language used of the proud king of Babylon's fall (Isa 14:12) and demonstrates how Christ's crucifixion brought the power of sin to an end. Christ healed fleshly infirmities, and through his crucifixion and resurrection defeated sin, personified by the devil, so believers might have hope (Luke 10:17-18;John 12:31-33;Gen 3:15;Heb 2:14,17;Heb 4:15;1John 3:8). Rev 12:10-12 - Despite Christ's victory over sin, which gives believers hope of eternal life, sin is still a force to be reckoned with (Rom 8:1,33-39). Rev 12:13 - Ideal Israel had given birth to Christ and true Christianity but there would be major challenges that lie ahead. Rev 12:14 - The woman would become apostate (Zech 5:7-11). Shinar is short for Babylon (Gen 11:2;Isa 11:11;Dan 1:2). Rev 12:17 - The dragon (sin and the sinful institutions controlled by the dragon) goes after those who who obey God's commandments and hold on to the testimony of Jesus Christ. The dragon (personification of sin) of chapters 12 through 20 is the same. The above sketch was mostly gleaned from Apocalypse For Everyman by A.D. Norris, pps 206-225. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Charles |
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12:15 Water as a flood is a Biblical image for oppression for example Isaiah 59:10 and the way in which the Assyrian is described Isa 7:7-8 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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