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Reading 1 - 1Samuel  10
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v.9 - Here we have an example of a prophecy being fulfilled immediately, within hours of it being spoken. This is the way that prophets are tested. Deut.13:1-5, Matt.7:15-16, 1John 4:1-3, Short term prophecy with this degree of detail is a strong sign of God's power in certain individuals. Isa.38:7,8, Mark 14:16.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.1 The word translated 'vial' is only used on three occasions in Scripture. 'Vial' [1 Samuel 10:1] 'Box' [2 Kings 9:1 3] Whereas David was anointed with a 'horn' or oil. [1 Samuel 16:13]
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.3,4 - Of the three loaves of bread being carried in v.3, only two are given in v.4 - it is a sharing of the bread, not just a giving. We share the bread that is given for us. At this point, it seems, Saul's attitude was quite good. It was later that the power seemed to go to his head.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
Rachel's sepulchre (at Bethlehem)
Genesis 35:19
Plain (Heb Oak) of Tabor
Genesis 35:8

These two references to the events associated with the death of Rachel are interesting because she died in the process of bearing Benjamin - Saul was a Benjamite. Saul was being taken on a tour of places associated with the events around the birth of his forefather.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
A MATTER OF THE HEART

One of the most amazing things God can do to people is to affect their hearts. Saul was one man whose heart God changed. We read that, "As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul's heart." (verse 9). It seems that there was a huge difference in the character of Saul, because those who had known him in the past wondered about the difference. But while God can change hearts and give people a kick start or a helping hand to turn their hearts towards him, he cannot make someone love him who is determined not to. Saul was stubborn and not at all interested in God, and so God eventually gave up on him.

There were others whose hearts God touched in the life of Saul too. After Saul was anointed we read that "Saul also went to his home in Gibeah, accompanied by valiant men whose hearts God had touched." (verse 26) Almost certainly these men became the great men of Saul's kingdom - but it all began with God touching their hearts.

One of our prayers at the Bible Campaign in Hamilton this past week, was that God would soften the hearts of the people of Hamilton so that they would be responsive to his word. This has proved to us that God still touches hearts because so far more that 120 people have eagerly sought for God's message. Let us continue to pray for him for change and touch hearts. It can make a world of difference.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert
:11-12 The surprise at Saul's prophesying is another indication that Saul was not the sort of man that God would have chosen to be His king. Spirituality, it seems, was not Saul's scene.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
10:19 Saul is now king and doubtless there had been great rejoicing among the people. Samuel's comment 'ye have rejected your God ..' must have seemed really odd to the people.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.23-24 There wasn't a man in all that throng to match Saul in physique. Whatever else, in that respect they must all admire him. But when it came to personality and qualities of leadership. he was as small as the smallest of them. That most essential virtue, faith in God, was almost entirely lacking. 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

Saul, the new king, looked the part, outwardly (1Sam 10:23).  And this is obviously why God had chosen him.  Israel needed a lesson.  God looks on the heart (1Sam 16:7)

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David

 

Saul was a reluctant king.  He did not seek the job, and after he was selected did not accept the post with enthusiasm.  Nevertheless, this was the man Yahweh selected as king to show Israel a lesson. Saul's stature, head and shoulders above his fellows, appealed to the carnal attitudes of Israel.  But, Yahweh is interested in a person's spirit not his outward casing. 

Saul was clay in the hands of the divine potter (see Jer 18:3-6).   He filled Saul with His spirit (vs. 6,10) but later we shall see that He filled Saul with an evil spirit (1Sam 16:14).  Who can argue with the interventions of Yahweh (Isa 45:9,10)?


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael

V.2 The design of these specific predictions of what should be met with on the way, and the number and minuteness of which would arrest atttention, was to confirm Saul's reliance on the prophetic character of Samuel, and lead him to give full credence to what had been revealed to him as the Word of God.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

The reason that both Samuel and God were angry at the request of Israel for a king, was that a king would take the place of God.  Up until now, Judges had ruled the people.  These were representatives of God; they spoke on His behalf, and they did His bidding.  They were servants of God and fellow-servants with the people.  Their portion would be provided from offerings and tithes of the people.  A king, however, was according to the pattern of the nations roundabout (8:20).  He was someone who would lead, rather than guide.  He was someone who would take his portion, rather than being given it (8:15).  He was someone who would demand honour by virtue of his position, rather than being given it by virtue of his service to God (cp. 8:11, 9:6).

A kingly position, therefore, was an untenable one.  It lifted up the pride of a man, causing him to believe in his own worth, rather than lowering him in order to make him trust in God's worth.  Here we see the qualifications of Saul have nothing to do with Spiritual merit, but only physical.  This man's trust was always going to be in himself rather than God, because he had so much of himself to trust in!

So we come to Jesus who was after the line of David, who when all Israel called him the son of David and were about to make him king, refused the honour, choosing rather to remain a man of God after the example of Samuel.  He learnt spiritual qualities through the things he suffered, so that his attitude was one of complete humility (Phil 2:5-10).  Jesus chose not to exercise his rightful kingship as mortal ruler of Israel, choosing rather to humble himself and draw men back to God's rulership just as Samuel had done.  Having made that choice, he will in the future return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords on behalf of God, rather than instead of Him (Rev 19:16).


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Rob

10:11    The choosing of Saul as ‘king’ reflects the promise in Gen 35:11where the subject is the birth of Benjamin.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
V.22 - unlike Saul, Christ didn't hide from responsibility.
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Charles

V.19 Even though the Children of Israel once again rejected the God of their forefathers. He still did not not cast them off. It is another example of His willingness to put up with human weakness, and to tolerate a lower spiritual level in His people, than the ideal which His Law puts before them.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to John

10:22  Saul  was hiding – this time through humility. The next time we find him hiding is before Goliath. Not that the record says he was hiding. However the people wanted a king who would ‘go out before us’ – 1Sam 8:20


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
10:1 The oil used here by Samuel in the anointing of Saul:  Would it have been the same as the "Holy anointing oil" that Moses was directed to mix (Exo 30:22-25) ? 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John

10:8  This is the first time that Saul is instructed to wait until an appointed time.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

V.19 Yahweh made it clear to His people that, in their request for a human king, they had rejected Him.  Nevertheless, He acceded to their wishes and established Saul as the first king. 

It was customary in the Ancient Near East to recognize a ruler by bringing him presents (tribute).  However, there were certain men who refused to bring tribute to Saul because they disapproved of him (v.27).  They sinned, and would at some point be punished, because Yahweh had sanctioned Saul. 

Likewise, Yahweh has approved Jesus as the king of kings. All are obliged to pay tribute to Him.  The scripture warns: Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him (Psa 2:12).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

10:9  There is nothing mystical about Saul being given ‘another heart’. His attitude changed at this time but it was a transitory change as he soon reverted to type.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter
1Sam 10:1 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment
2. Saul was made king
1Sam 9:15,16,27, 1Sam 10:1 followed by David 1Sam 6:13, Solomon 1Kin 1:32-34, 1Chron 28:5 then Rehoboam 1Kin 11:43, 2Chron 9:31.
Go to
Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning.
Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger

 

V.1 The act of kissing was a sign of homage.  We give the same sign of respect to the Lord Jesus by following His commandments.  This is also the command of Yahweh (Psa 2:12; Matt 17:5).

V.3 Saul was told to take the necessary things for sacrifice.

V.5 The hill (KJV) in other versions is more emphatically stated as a definite place (Gibeahelohim which means hill of God). The garrison of the Philistines was a observation-post situated on top of a hill.  The Philistines had control of the Land at this time.

Vs.6,10,11 Saul prophesied with the company of prophets.  To prophesy meant to speak or sing under inspiration.  In this case, it was singing (v.5).

V.17 As was already pointed out, Mizpah was one of the three cities that was on Samuel’s judging circuit.  It was also the nation’s rallying place for important announcements.

V.19 Here is a clear declaration that Israel had rejected Yahweh as its king.

Vs.22-24 Saul was reluctant to be king.  What a great start for the nation that wanted a human king.  By contrast, Yahweh, the king who was rejected,  was ever-present, willing, and able to help His nation.

V.25 See 1Sam 8:9.

V.27 In the Ancient Near East, presents to a new ruler meant accepting him in office and pledging loyalty to him. The people who withheld presents showed neither respect for the new king nor respect for Yahweh who appointed him.

Gifts were brought to Jesus (Matt 2:11). In the Kingdom, nations shall bring presents to Jesus, the King of the World, just like they did to David and Solomon, who foreshadowed Him (Psa 68:29; 72:10).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

10:14 We know that one of Saul’s uncles was Abner – 1Sam 14:50 - so we may conclude that this uncle was Abner. A man who was to figure greatly in Saul’s life as captain in his army.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 2 - Isaiah 54
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v. 1,2 - This is the result of the happenings of ch.53. This is the salvation which God is offering to the whole world, but note that it is offered as an extension of the existing covenant and within the context of it - 'enlarge the place of thy tent'. Surely, like so much of the later part of Isaiah, this refers to the inclusion of the gentiles. Also, as you read on (v.6-10) it is clear that the Israelites in the flesh - the actual people of God - will not be cast off ultimately. The inclusion of gentiles then is just that - as well and not instead.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.14 marks the final use of 03928 learned / taught / disciple in Isaiah. The other uses are Isaiah 8:16 50:4. The prophet has disciples - that is men and women who learnt from his teaching. We are 'learners' of Jesus. Just as learning from Isaiah was hard at times - his message was not appealing to the natural man - so we will find Jesus' teaching hard at times.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
In v.4 and 5 we have a picture of the kingdom age woven into the words. The end of verse 5 confirms this as the kingdom is the time when he shall be called the King of the whole earth. We see then a turning back from the shame which we have had ever since the fall at the beginning, we see also the forgetting of the former things. It is a great blessing that our current way of thinking will be removed so far away that we will no longer recall it.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
54:1 This verse is speaking of the call of the gentiles - See Galatians 4:27. 'break forth' is a recurring theme in Isaiah. We find it in 44:23 49:13 52:9 54:1 54:3 55:12 58:8 All these occasions use the same Hebrew word. Isaiah is developing a pattern to show the extent of the work of God and the scope of the salvation that is brought through Jesus.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
:3 'break forth' RV 'spread abroad' quotes Genesis 28:14 - Isaiah is speaking of the fulfilment of the promises to the patriarchs.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
54:10 'My kindness shall not depart ...'  draws on Psa 89:33 and 2Sam 7:15 where the promise to David is given and then expounded as applying to the faithful children.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.13 This verse was quoted by our future king,(John 6:45) to prove that in order to come to Him, men must be drawn by God.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

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Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael

The idea of God leaving Israel for a short while, and then returning to her for ever (as in Isa 54:7,8), is well explained by Paul in Rom 11:7-32. But it’s important we realise the meanings of the words Paul uses about Israel. In Rom 11:11 the word “fall” is used twice in the AV, but they are different Greek words. “Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid.” Here fall means fall down. But later in the same verse, “through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles”, fall is the word blunder, falling aside.  The NIV puts the verse like this: "Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles…”


 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

54:1  The barren that did not bear that was to bring forth is typical of Eve – and the seed of the woman.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

The phrase in v1 "more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married woman" can be explained by going back to the first occurrences of the word "desolate" found in Leviticus 26. Here the same word is mentioned over and over again in speaking of the judgements on Israel should they continue in despising God's covenant with them (v31-35). This judgement would be the scattering of Israel among the nations whilst the land remained empty.

In Lev 26:40 we see an important link with Daniel. It was Daniel that prayed this prayer to God in order to bring back the people from captivity. Compare this verse with Dan 9:2-19 and you will see how Daniel quotes the words of this verse, and speaks of the desolation of the land.

So we can suggest that the desolate woman of Isa 54 is Israel, and that the desolation (or barren-ness) spoken of is her period of captivity. What isn't so clear, however, is whether this prophecy refers to this initial captivity alone. If we read on we can see that it is in fact much more far reaching. v2-3 refer to Isa 49:19-21 which speaks of children being brought from the nations into which the Jews were scattered. This must surely point to our time? Are we to see it primarily as a prophecy of the return of the Jews to the land which is happening as we speak, or as a prophecy of the greater gathering in of the children of God by the work of Jesus Christ?


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Rob

54:8 The ‘mercy’ was experienced by Hezekiah who was reprieved from death and is echoed in his Psalm of despair and thanks – Psa 102:13


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

54:1 The singing of this chapter develops what Isaiah has already said the people would do. Isa 12:6


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

V.4 Israel had been a wayward nation since its inception (the shame of thy youth - KJV).  Now, the Babylonian captivity had made Israel a widow.  However, Israel had lost her husband (Yahweh) through divorce.  Not that Yahweh divorced Israel, but that Israel chose to divorce Yahweh (Isa 50:1). 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

54:14 We noted that verse 10 quotes elements of the promise to David in 2Sam 7:15 The word ‘established’ in this verse is also another promise to David word. 2Sam 7:16,26


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

LIKE THE PROMISE TO NOAH

 

Speaking to Israel, God made some amazing promises. As he presented a picture of what life would be like for his people in the future, he compared his promises about it to the promise he made to Noah. '"To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again. Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfaling love for you will not be shaken, nor my covenant of peace be removed," says the LORD, who has compassion on you.' (Isa 54:9-10) What an awesome promise this is to those who will receive it!

 

Right now we all go through suffering of some kind or other. The writer to the Hebrews calls it discipline. But the time will come, and the promises is as sure as the promise God made to Noah, that he will no longer be angry and that his people will live in peace.

 

While the promise God made was directly to Israel, as members of the body of Christ, we also have a part in it. Let's look forward all the more to the day when God's covenant of peace will never be broken, when his unfailing love will always shine through, and when his compassion will never fail. The promise to Noah has never been broken, so we have an amazing hope!


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Robert
v 6-10 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Restoration clearly foretold
In Eze 21:25-27
 UNTIL indicates a limitation to the overturning. Go there for more prophecies about Israel's restoration.

Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger

 

V.1 The children of the desolate one (ESV) refers to the redeemed gathered from the Gentiles.  This group will be elevated above Natural Israel.

Vs.2,3 Natural Israel will also be blessed in the future. Its territory will be enlarged, from Gentile lands, to accommodate the larger numbers of Jews.  Remember that the original boundaries of the Land of Promise included all of Judea and Samaria (presently The West Bank); the Gaza Strip; and parts of Jordan.  Regardless of the present political situation, these lands will be reclaimed by Israel.

Vs.4-8 Nevertheless, in His mercy, Yahweh would act as a redeemer (Heb. gaal) and take away the reproach of this widow.  He would act like Boaz, the kinsman (Heb. gaal), towards Ruth.

Vs.11,12 In the Kingdom, Natural Israel will be blessed as well as Spiritual Israel (the Redeemed in Jesus).  Twelve is a number of completeness, as in the twelve tribes which constitute the whole of Israel.  Compare these verses with the picture of the New Jerusalem in Rev 21:19,20.

Vs.13,14 Peace shall reign in the Kingdom. Israel will truly learn the ways of holiness and righteousness (Zech 8:3-6; Heb 8:10; 10:16).

Vs.15-17 Yahweh pledges to save Israel from all foes. In the last days, before the Kingdom is established, nations will come against Israel.  But, they all shall be defeated.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

54:5 Whereas the nations surrounding Israel. had territorial Gods Israel’s God is a God of the whole world.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - Revelation  17 and 18
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18 v. 5 - This idea of sins reaching up to heaven is found in odd other places too. It is a picture of sin so great that God chooses to punish rather than forgive, and appears to be reserved for description of only the worst situations. Gen.18:20,21 - Sodom and Gomorrah, 2Chr.28:9 - Judah, Ezra 9:6 - Israel, Jer.51:9 - Babylon, Jonah 1:2 - Nineveh.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

17 v.5 - Mysteries are things that the mind of the flesh loves to think about. However the 'mystery' which we are to be concerned with has been revealed. [1 Corinthians 2:7-10]. We should not investigate the mysteries that the world offers in the various religions and philosophies. Our Father has revealed the most beautiful mystery to us - and we are involved in it.

18 v.4 - The call to 'come out of her' is not restricted to the time of the destruction of Babylon. Believers at all times must avoid association with the Babylonian systems of their age. If we cannot dissociate ourselves from Babylon now we will not heed any call from the Lord at the time of the overthrow of this world's order.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
TAKEN BY SURPRISE

They thought they were doing well. They bought, they sold, they traded, they married and were given in marriage, they got rich, they lived by their own rules and they lacked nothing - except God. But then the door of the ark was shut and the rain fell bringing sudden destruction on all that were ungodly. It was the same for Sodom and Gomorrah. All of a sudden time was up and fire and brimstone rained down from the heavens. God's judgement on the world we live in will be just the same. People will be so busy getting rich, getting power, doing the things they want to do, living the way they want to live that the fall of Babylon and the battle of Armageddon will take them completely by surprise. They will even have been persecuting the people of God - perhaps to stop the warnings of the coming judgement - but it will all be too late. God's wrath will be poured out on the world whether they are ready or not. The big question is, will you be ready? Do we get so caught up in the things of this world that we will not be ready for the return of Jesus? We need to make room for God in our lives now while there is still time.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Robert
that sitteth upon many waters
Jer 51:13
with whom the kings of the earth have have committed fornication
Isa 23:17
have been made drunk
Jer 51:7
ten horns
Dan 7:7
precious stones
Eze 28:13
having a golden cup in ... hand
Jer 51:7
Babylon the great
Dan 4:30
ten horns
Dan 7:7
bottomless pit
Isa 14:15
written in the book of life
Dan 12:11
ten horns
Dan 7:7
ten horns ... are ten kings
Dan 7:24
ten horns
Dan 7:7

Once again we are introduced to the fall of Babylon. On this occasion by quotation from a number of Old Testament areas which speak of the fall of Babylon. Maybe the extent of the range of quotations will help us to realise that the overthrow of Babylon is a major theme right through the Old Testament.

and the earth was lightened with his glory
Eze 43:2

And so again we are transported to the kingdom and the time of Ezekiel's temple.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
CALLED, CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL

The kings and the beast will make war with the Lamb, but we read, "the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." (Revelation 17 v 14). Those who are with Christ will be those who have "overcome," as we read in chapters 2 and 3. But those who are not with him will be overcome, defeated, and will bow to his power. So it must be our aim to be part of the company who are with Christ who are called, chosen and faithful. Someone else termed it like this: Selected, Separated and Dedicated.

We do not have much control over the calling or being chosen, but what we do have control over is how we respond to the calling we have received. Will we accept it and respond to it, or have we rejected his calling and turned away from it? And we also have control over how we respond to being chosen. Do we separate ourselves to God from the world or do we just keep doing our own thing our own way? And most of all we have control over how faithful we will be. How firmly will we stand by our Lord? How long will we dedicate ourselves to him?

Will we be one of that faithful crowd who have overcome and stand on the side of Jesus facing eternity?

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert

written in the book of life
Dan 12:1

Given that we hope to be amongst those who are judged worthy at the return of Christ and the resurrection we must be amongst those whose names are written in the book of life - so we must make sure that we are not associated with the powers which are to be destroyed at the return of Christ - we ought to remember that we are 'strangers and pilgrims … ' (Hebrews 11:13 1 Peter 2:11)

shall bewail her and lament for her
Eze 27:31

We notice that the nations will wail when 'Babylon' and all it's systems are destroyed. What would our reaction be? Are we so locked into this world's way that the overthrow of it and it's governments would distress us also?


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
"COME OUT"

It would be nice to live in a world that stands by godly principles in its business, pleasure and in any other aspect of life. But unfortunately we have to live in a world and operate our daily lives, as far as it is possible, within the systems of the world. We are told that the time will come when the world's systems and everything the world stands for will be brought to ruin. At that time, just before the fall of Babylon, the call will go out to God's people, "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not receive any of her plagues."

My question is, what will our response be to this calling? We are supposed to be living in the world but not as part of it. But it is so easy to get tangled up in business, politics, or just with living, that we would feel it a terrible strain to be called out. Lot's wife seemed to feel that way, and many of Lot's other relations would not leave because they had too much to lose in Sodom. Then it was destroyed.

Let's keep our priorities right. If God is the centre of our lives we will have no problem coming out as Babylon is destroyed. We will feel no regrets that business is gone because we have eternal joy in the Lord.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Robert
 16:15 To walk naked is to be rejected at the Judgment Seat, and so denied the clothing of immortality. (2Cor 5:3) It is of significance that the word "naked"  links the warning of this verse with the warning given to the Laodiceans Rev 3:17. This implies the great possibility of the community of believers living at the time of Christ's coming, being found in a Laodicean state. To walk naked is a disgrace.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

16:6 Martyrdom figures in the reason for God's judgement on the nations. The phrase "blood of saints" speaks of this martyrdom in (Rev  17:6) and here.

17:9 "here is ... wisdom" is found twice in Revelation. Here and Rev 13:18. On both occasions wisdom enables the true servant of God to differentiate between the true and the false. This is not only true of the number of the beast or the city on seven hills. It is always the case that God's wisdom can protect the servant of God from all error.  Consider the way that wisdom is used in Scripture - especially the book of Proverbs.

18:5 We have already noticed that "for her ... have reached unto heaven" quotes Jer 50:9. However the idea of sins reaching to heaven is used elsewhere in Scripture (Gen 18:20, Jon 1:2) forming the basis of the language in Jeremiah.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter

 

Rev. 17: After Armageddon, those of the Apostate Church, and its followers, will conspire to make war with Jesus.  Nations of Europe and Russia will join Rome's Mother Church to try and destroy Jesus, whom they will deem the antichrist.  But Jesus will utterly destroy them. 

Rev. 18: Continues the description of the destruction of Rome (called Babylon because of the similarity to its idolatry and to its destruction). 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

16:1  That the word to bring judgment came from ‘the temple’ demonstrates that the final judgments will be decreed and controlled by God, however those in darkness will see them as just another war that they think that they can sort out by negotiation.

17:1  Sitting upon many waters signifies control over many nations. Jer 51:13 has already used this language to speak of the dominion that Babylon had over the world in her day.

18:2 Even if we have difficulty identifying who this ‘Babylon’ is there is no doubt that it is to be a time of rejoicing for the servants of God just like is was to be for those who had gone into captivity in the days of Jeremiah. Jeremiah foresaw the end of Babylon’s domination using similar language Jer 51:8 . That God had kept those words for Israel should give us confidence that no matter how evil the world seems Babylon and all that it represents will eventually be overthrown and the kingdom of God will be here.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

17:2 ‘Fornication’ in Scripture regularly refers to false worship. This symbol being used because rather than being married to God these nations are ‘joined to an harlot’. There are only two options marred to God or married to an harlot.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

17:4    the ‘golden cup’ echoes Babylon – Jer 51:7 helping to identify the woman.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

17:1 Is a term used often in Scripture to speak of nations. We have seen in an earlier comment that the idea is found in Jer 51:13 but it can be seen elsewhere, for example – Isa 17:13


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

17:1 The whore is a description of the papacy-led false system of worship.  The phrase many waters symbolizes many people (17:15).

17:2 The rulers of many nations have come under the influence of the papacy’s blasphemous influence.

17:3 The  woman is a description of the papacy (ecclesiastical power) in all its pomp.  The beast upon which she rides is descriptive of the political power of the Roman Catholic Church (descriptive of a Catholic Europe at the time of the end). Scarlet is the color of sin (Isa 1:18). Seven heads answer to the seven hills on which Rome sits (17:9). The ten horns reflect the ten toes of Daniel’s image (Dan 2:32,33).  The ten horns represent ten divisions of power in the Roman Empire (17:12). Ten represents a number of completeness.

17:4 The woman is bedecked with all the finery she received from the nations she intoxicated with the spiritual filth she dispensed from her golden cup.

17:5 Babylon is descriptive of Rome because Rome has followed the original idolatrous practices that Nimrod and his wife Semiramis set up in Babylon after the flood. 

17:6 Many true followers of Jesus have been put to death by the woman (papal ecclesiastical power).

17:7 The angelic uncovering of the woman’s mystery begins.

17:8 The bottomless pit is symbolic of (seemingly unending) humanity over the ages.  Perdition is complete destruction. This will happen to the beast (the political system of the papacy) when Jesus returns.  The book of life contains the names of the true followers of Jesus.

17:10 This verse is illustrative of Roman government being played out in history.

17:13 The autonomous nations of the European Union will support the papacy at the time of the end.

17:14 This war will take place after the battle of Armageddon. Jesus and His saints will defeat the enemy.

17:16,17 The events of this verse seem to belong to a different time than after 17:14 because the nations (not individuals) at the end time will not abandon the papal system.  This is probably a reference to the French Revolution (1789-1799).  

17:18 Babylon = Rome.

Chapter 18 will be discussed in the December reading


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

17:12 The ten kings are seduced by the offer of power because even though they have no power they before powerful because the beast gives them power. So they are not really in control at all, just puppets of the beast. However mankind tends not to notice that what is given has strings attached. The gospel differs from this. We need to decide where we accept gifts from. God’s gifts are freely given.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter