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Reading 1 - 2Samuel  17
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v.14 is the fulfilment of ch.15:31, where David asks God that Ahithophel's counsel be turned into foolishness. In fact what happens is that Ahithophel's counsel is described as good, but the people are persuaded by Hushai instead, thus causing Ahithophel's counsel to be ignored. The way God chooses to answer our prayers is always wise, but rarely the way we expected.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

v.4 - In coming to Mahanaim David had travelled some distance from Jerusalem.

So why did David travel so far? Jacob was at Mahanaim [Genesis 32:1] when his own brother was coming to meet him. Jacob thought that Esau would kill him. It seems that David was reflecting on this event in Jacob's life when the expected problem did not materialise.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.3 - The subtility of the people was such that if David was killed, Ahithophel knew they would turn to Absalom, having a desperate need for a leader. This human desire to have to have people to lead us (as opposed to God) is a very sad one.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
We learn something of the rage of Ahithophel when we see how often he uses 'I will' (17:1 2 3)
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
:23 Ahithophel hanging himself is mirrored in the actions of Judas (Matthew 27:5) - another link between the Absalom uprising and the last few hours of Jesus' life.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
2Sa 17:25 The information here is bewildering until we look at the relationships. Joab's mother, Zeruiah, was David's sister, making Joab David's cousin 1Ch 2:12-17. This accounts for the almost paranoic number of references to Zeruiah, it is very unusual to have a woman so prominent in histotical accounts, (1Sa 26:6, 2Sa 2:13, 18, 3:39, 8:16, 14:1, 16:9, 16:10, 17:25, 18:2, 19:21, 22, 21:17, 1Ki 2:5). David's many references to Zeruiah are the more telling if we read them as 'ye sons of my sister!' He seems to be blaming her offspring for most of his troubles. Amasa who here who takes Joab's place as Commander-in-Chief was son of a man who had a relationship with another of David's sisters, Nahash, Joab's aunt! Their daughter Abigail (this Abigail not Nabal's wife now David's) is then, Joabs first cousin, married now to his boss Amasa. That too won't have gone down well with Joab. Abigail in turn has a son she calls after the name of his father, Amasa 1Ch 2:17. This son Joab later slew (1Ki 2:5, 32). Family jealousies ran through this royal house. We must make sure it doesn't sour our relationships.
Derek Palmer [Tenby (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Derek
17:14 David has fled the city not knowing what was going to happen (2Sam 15:25-26) but, unbeknown to him, God is working on his behalf - if only we could always remember that whatever is happening in our lives  God is working for us.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
17:14 David has fled the city not knowing what was going to happen (2Sam 15:25-26) but, unbeknown to him, God is working on his behalf - if only we could always remember that whatever is happening in our lives  God is working for us.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter

The three men mentioned in 2Sam 17:27 brought food and drink and even beds for David and his men. Such acts of kindness are remembered by God, and He blesses such acts.

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David

V.23 Ahithophel's vanity was wounded, his pride mortified on finding that his ascendency was gone, but that chagrin was aggravated by other feelings..A painful conviction that through the delay which had been resolved on, the cause of Absalom was lost. Hastening home, therefore, he arranged his private affairs, and knowing that the storm of retributive vengeance would fall chiefly upon him as the instigator and prop of the rebellion, he hanged himself.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

 

V.24 Mahanaim (means two camps) was a Levitical (Merari clan) town (Josh 21:38).  It was located in Gilead, east of the Jordan, in the border region between the tribes of Gad and East Manasseh. 

Mahanaim is where Abner brought Ishbosheth, Saul's son, and made him king over Israel (2Sam 2:8-10).  It is perhaps ironic that David would take refuge here from Absalom, who was trying to usurp the throne: this given Ishbosheth's situation.  


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

17:25  Absalom might have sought support from Joab, he had already used him to achieve his own ends – 2Sam 14:29  – but he saw Amasa as a more likely ally. Joab had his own plans which meant Absalom could not trust him.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

17:6The behaviour of Hushai is an answer to a prayer which David spoke and is recorded in Psa 109:6 Hushai is the ‘satan’ of the Psalm as he is the one who was the adversary to Absalom, diverting him from the good counsel of Ahithophel.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

17:8-13         Hushai’s counsel to Absalom was designed to flatter Absalom. Hushai did this by suggesting that Absalom was the one to do all the work – not Ahithophel who had spoken all the time about what he would do.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

Vs.1-3 Ahithophel's advice to attack David was sound strategically.

Vs.7,11-13 However, Yahweh thwarted the advice of Ahithophel through Hushai.  Ahithophel knew that Hushai's advice would bring defeat to Absalom, but he had been made to look foolish at court - Athithophel means son of foolishness

V.23 With his pride pricked, Ahithophel went home, preferring to commit suicide rather than face David in defeat.

Only four other suicides are recorded in the Bible:  Samson (Judg 16:30); Saul (1Sam 31:4); Zimiri (1Kin 16:18); Judas (Matt 27:5).  We could possibly count Abimelech as a fifth, but he received assistance (Judg 9:54). 

Ahithophel, Zimri, and Judas killed themselves believing that the continuation of their lives would be hopeless.  Saul and Abimelech died to alleviate perceived shame.  These all died for selfish reasons. 

Samson was the only one who did it for someone else.  He prayerfully asked Yahweh for the opportunity to silence His enemies.  Yahweh granted Samson's wish, gave him the strength to carry it out, and marked him as one of the faithful (Heb 11:32). 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

17:7 Hushai’s directness doubtless enraged Ahithophel and Ahithophel must have been even more enraged when Absalom listened to Hushai’s counsel rather than his! After all it is probable that Ahithophel had been very much involved I all the planning that had taken place so far.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

V.17 En-rogel (means fuller’s fountain) was a spring which marked the border between Judah and Benjamin.

Incidentally, in the KJV, the Hebrew word shifkhaw is translated wench.  Wench is an old Anglo-Saxon word meaning a maid or young woman. This is the only place, in the Bible, where the word wench appears. Unfortunately, it is not a good translation. The meaning of shikhaw is a female slave.  More modern versions, like the ESV, have recognized this meaning.

V.25 Amasa was David’s nephew and Absalom’s cousin.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

17:5 Isn’t interesting that even though Ahithophel’s counsel pleased Absalom he called for Hushai. One might have thought that he would simply have taken the sound counsel of Ahithophel – but the deliverance was ‘of God’ verse :4


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

2Sam 17:17-20 - Jonathan and Ahimaaz perhaps remind us of the two spies who visited Rahab (Josh 2:1-7) and the echo of the red cord to Christ's sacrifice; V.17 "Enrogel" (5883) means "fountain of the fuller, fountain of the traveler" and it was the place (Gihon stream) from which the permanent water source of the pool of "Siloam" [Grk. (4611) means "sent" and is thought to be connected to the life-giving message of the Lord with clay suggesting flesh and water suggesting the baptism which is needed to get to the Lord's city Jerusalem (John 9:1-7;Isa 12:2-3;2Sam 5:6-8)] came; V.19 "covering" [Heb. "masak" (4539) means "covering, veil"] over the "well's" [Heb. "be'er" (875) means "pit, well, spring"] mouth.  2Sam 17:27-29 - V.27 David came to "Mahanaim" [(4266) meaning "two camps"] a place named by Jacob when he met the angels of God (Gen 32:1-2); at Mahanaim David was met by "Shobi" [(7629) means "captor, glorious"] son of "Nahash" [(5176) means "serpent" (1Sam 11:2,11) so perhaps this hints the Ammonite blooded Shobi will overcome the camp of his fleshly origins, be glorious and is perhaps an echo of Christ overcoming sin], "Machir" [(4353) means "sold" and perhaps echos Christ being sold/betrayed by Judas - interestingly, Mephibosheth lived in Machir's house (2Sam 9:1-7)] son of "Ammiel" [(5988) means "people of God, my kinsman is God"] of "Lodebar" [(3810) meaning "no pasture, pastureless" perhaps the 'pasture' of the promised land will be future] and the third mentioned who helped with provisions was "Barzillai" [(1271) means "my iron" and perhaps echos one of strength who could be counted on, or, and it's a stretch, a reference to that which pierced Christ on the cross] a Gileadite of "Rogelim" [(7274) meaning "fullers, place of fullers" which may connect with Enrogel (baptism/burial/covered/clothed and refreshed with Christ?) and perhaps hints of three men (Jew and Gentile) who will be resurrected to be in the camp with Christ]. 


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Charles
Reading 2 - Jeremiah 21
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v.8 - Of these 2 options, death was the better. The depth to which the people had fallen in their own wilful sins was quite outstanding. We need to know the way that God deals with people like this to remind us that mercy and grace are for those that worship God, not those that claim him as their God and then worship themselves. God reminds then of the language of the warning that he gave them right at the start - Deut.11:26, 30:15,19. See also Isa.1:19-20.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.1-2 - Zedekiah should have known what God required of him. Jeremiah had repeatedly called for spiritual renewal as the only way in which God would repent of His plan to bring the Babylonians against him. How often are we like this! We know the will of God but persist in behaving as if by repeated asking He will change His mind. Beware lest ye 'ask amiss' [James 4:3]
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.7 - See how God is prepared to use their enemies to their hurt to make their fate worse than death.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
21:5 Whereas God fought for Israel against Egypt (Exodus 6:6) with an outstretched arm to deliver Israel from the bondage of Egypt He is going to use the same power to punish Israel. This should have caused great concern - but it seems that it did not.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
:7 'he shall … have mercy Deuteronomy 28:50 is another quotation from the curses. This is coupled with 'Behold … death' which is a quotation from Deuteronomy 30:19. So as Israel are about to go into captivity because they would not listen to the words of Deuteronomy Jeremiah quotes an exhortation from Chapter 30 which had been spoken to the nation just before they entered the land.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
21:9  Jeremiah's God given advice was exactly the opposite of what Zedekiah wanted to hear.  To the ears of the Godless Jews it would seem like treason - a charge later laid upon Jeremiah (37:13)
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.7 "smite them with the edge of the sword" This was the fate of Zedekiah's sons, and many of the nobles. Zedekiah himself, though not put to a violent death, died of grief. This prophecy has been fulfilled. Jer 34,  Eze 12:13,  2Kin 25:6-7
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John
Yahweh had a score to settle with Jerusalem because of the behavior of Manasseh (2Kin 21:10-12;Jer 15:4,5).  However, the inhabitants of Jerusalem in Jeremiah's day were not going to suffer for Manasseh's sins.  They would answer to their own sins (Jer 13:10,27).
Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael
The king of Jerusalem sent to hear the word of the Lord from Jeremiah.  But did he listen? Did he repent?  Did he turn back to God? (Jer 21:2)  There’s really not much point in asking, if we have no intention of listening, is there?
David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

21:4 Whereas the king might have been able to reason that the Babylonian siege was ‘just one of those things’ that happen to kingdoms he was now left in no doubt. He had asked Jeremiah what message there was from God – so he must have had some idea that Jeremiah was a true prophet – and now he has God‘s reply.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

A Tale of Three Kings

While Jesus hung dying on the cross, everyone wondered why he had given in. Those who saw him as their King wondered why he had capitulated so easily to the Romans. Those who saw him as the Messiah marvelled why he didn't use his power to come down from the cross. Under his feet lay the inscription the king of the Jews.

Another king of the Jews, Jehoiachin, had a similar choice to make. In his case the Babylonians, rather than the Romans, had come against him. Would he stay and fight or would he meekly give himself up? This King had seen what the Babylonians did to the nations they conquired, and he also knew the words of Jeremiah the prophet who had pronounced doom against his city. Therefore, counting the cost he decided to capitulate (2Kin 24:10-12).

In today's reading, yet another King of the Jews, Zedekiah, had the same choice. Jeremiah had told him to count the cost (21:5-7). God himself would fight against the city because of its evil. Could Zedekiah defend himself against the Almighty? And so he was given a choice Behold, I set before you the way of life and the way of death: He who remains in the city shall die... he who defects... he shall live (8-9). But Zedekiah failed to count the cost and as a result he lost the lives of his whole family (2Kin 25:4-7).

So what happened to Jehoachin? Well, he gave himself up along with all his family and officers. He was taken into captivity, and years later he was restored to sit before the King and appointed a portion all the days of his life (2Kin 25:29-30). This is the very last thing we read in the book of the Kings, as if to highlight the lesson. And so with Jesus and his choice. He chose to heed the example of Jehoichin. Jesus realised that he had no power to withstand God's judgements. Instead he heeded Jeremiah's words and gave himself up. As a result Jesus now sits before God, the King. He is appointed a portion all the days of his life (Isa 53:12). Jesus exhorts us to count the cost too (Luke 14:31-33).


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Rob

21:7 Whereas Zedekiah was concerned that the Chaldeans would kill or abuse him Jeremiah repeatedly told Zedekiah that he would be taken to Babylon alive. One is left wondering what Zedekiah thought when Jeremiah’s words were proved true.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
 21:8-9 The instruction of how to save their lives are similar, but not exactly as to A.D.70. What is demonstrated is that our Heavenly Father's ways are not the same as our ways. The natural thing to do was to stay in the city because of its defenses. The last thing they would do is become prisoners. But, that is exactly what their God in heaven wanted.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John

21:1 Zedekiah was a weak man. He wanted to know what God’s word was – so he sent Pashur to enquire or Jeremiah. In fact this was not the only time that Zedekiah did such a thing, but he was not willing to do what the word of God said to him. How often are we like that. We know what is right but avoid doing it.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

Vs.1,2 Zedekiah means justice of Yahweh.  Zedekiah sent prophets to Jeremiah to make a plea to Yahweh for the safety of Jerusalem.  Instead, Yahweh instructed Jeremiah to tell Zedekiah that both his army and Jerusalem would be destroyed.  The justice of Yahweh would be done.  

Pashur, the son of Melchiah, was not the hostile Pashur that we met in the last chapter (Jer 20:1). And, Zephaniah was not the same as Zephaniah, the prophet whose book bears his name.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

21:2 Zedekiah wanted God to do what Zedekiah wanted. He was interested in God’s word as long as what it said matched what he wanted. So true to human nature. We find individuals who say they are interested in God and His word but do not want to change their beliefs to match what Scripture teaches.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter
v 7 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment
5. Judah (the Southern Kingdom) continued for another 200 years after Israel, the Northern Kingdom and the last king was Zedekiah. It was overtured three times (prophesied
Eze 21:25-27), then to remain desolate for many years Hos 3:4.
 - The first overturning was in BC 606 in Jehoiakim's reign. (Prophesied
Jer 27:6) 2Kin 24:2, Dan 1:1, 2Chron 36:6.
 - The second overturning was in BC 597 in Jehoiachin's reign
2Kin 4:10, 2Chron 36:10.
 - The third overturning was in BC 587 in Zedekiah's reign. (Prophesied
Jer 21:7, Jer 34:2) Jer 38:28, Jer 39:1,2, Jer 52:4-5, Eze 24:1-2, 2Kin 25:2, 2Chron 36:7.
Go to
Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning.


Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Roger

 

V.8 The language here is similar to that of Deut 30:19.

V.9 Yahweh always provides a way out for His natural people who trust Him.  The same applies to the disciples of Jesus (1Cor 10:13).

From a human point of view, in the Ancient Near East, a conqueror liked to take slaves home as trophies of war.  It was good for the ego of the conqueror as he showed up at home with slaves in tow. The people at home could also celebrate as they saw visible signs of victory and domination. Also, slaves are a good source of free labor.

From the divine point of view, this was Yahweh’s method of preserving a remnant of His people.

V.13 This verse is a personification of Jerusalem.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

21:8 Jeremiah is reminding Zedekiah of the words of Moses – Deut 30:18-19– when he speaks to him about setting before him the way of life and death.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - Romans  7 and 8
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8 v. 4 - Here is the crux of it. We have these benefits, which are wonderful, and we do not deserve them, they are the gift of God, but only if we 'walk not after the flesh'. Gal.5:22-24, Jude v.24-25.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

Contrasts between Romans 6 & 7

newness of life  Rom.6:4/Rom.7:6   newness of spirit 
He that is dead is freed from sin  Rom.6:7/Rom.7:3   is dead is freed from that law 
Death hath no more dominion  Rom.6:9/Rom.7:1   the law ... dominion 
died unto sin once  Rom.6:10/Rom.7:9   alive without the law once 
Dead [indeed] unto sin  Rom.6:11/Rom.7:4   dead to the law 
alive unto God  Rom.6:11/Rom.7:9   [I was] alive without the law 
freed from sin  Rom.6:18/Rom.7:3   free from that law 

8 v.7 - Notice how 'enmity' passes into Biblical use Genesis 3:15 Ephesians 2:15,16 James 4:4


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
7:6 the phrase 'in the flesh' which is found in 8:5,13 as 'after the flesh' is to be contrasted with walking in the spirit Romans 8:1 and is seen elsewhere Romans 8:4 Galatians 5:16, 25. Walking in the spirit, therefore, is not some mystical activity. It is the way we 'walk; when we crucify the flesh - that is live after the pattern of Jesus' example. Walking in the spirit, therefore, is something we should choose to do, but it requires commitment on our part.

8:3 in saying that Jesus came in the 'likeness' of sinful flesh he is wishing s to see the identification with Adam. He is not talking about whether Jesus could have sinned or not. Clearly he could - else he could not have been tempted. The point being made is that Jesus, whilst sharing our likeness was able to reconcile us to God by being like Him.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
7:6 'in newness of spirit' develops 'newness of life' (Romans 6:4). Romans 7 is continuing the reasoning started in Chapter 6 about the need to change our life style as a consequence of our new relationship with God through our baptism.

7:7-9 Paul's argument that the law makes one aware of what sin is answers the question as to why God gave Adam a commandment to keep. Adam needed to learn obedience and for that he required a law. We are the same. However our 'law' is not one of rules. Rather it is one of 'freedom' and service'. So rather than seeking what we can 'do' we should thing 'how can I please my Father?'

8:29 In saying we should be 'conformed' to the image of Jesus Paul sows the seed of the idea of transformation developed in Romans 12:1

8:18 'not worthy … in us' forms the basis of part of the 'faithful saying (2 Timothy 2:12) So Paul's letter takes on the clear status of Scripture in his own mind.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
8v16-17 says that if we suffer with Christ, then we are the children of God. Why is this so?

Paul explains this very thing in Hebrews 12, when he is talking about Jesus and his struggle with sin. Here he phrases it slightly differently: "If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons" (12v7). So is the suffering Paul refers to in Romans, the chastening referred to in Hebrews?

In 1Samuel 7v14 we have a prophecy of Jesus "I will be his father, and he shall be my son.... I will chasten him with the rod of men". This is picked up by Paul in Hebrews: "For consider him who endured such contradiction of sinners against himself" and then continues "for...you have not yet resised to bloodshed, striving against sin". Where did Jesus resist to bloodshed, striving against sin? In the garden of Gethsemane where his sweat came as great drops of blood! And what was the sin he was striving against? His own will (the will of the flesh) against the will of God.

This is exactly the context of Paul's argument in Romans 7v14-8v1, where he so eloquently describes the battle going on in himself between the lusts of the flesh and the desires of the spirit. Taking these passages together we can see that it is the chastening of God that develops this spiritual mindset. Without the chastening of God we simply do not develop it, and as Paul says in Hebrews 12v8 we are "illigitimate and not sons". It is not enough for us to read the word of God and expect it to develop the spiritual mind within us. It is only when through tribulation we struggle with the sinful desires we have within us, that we develop it, and can therefore be called sons and daughters of God.


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Rob

7:16 Paul is telling us that it is those who struggle with their sinful tendencies who please God. If we do not trouble ourselves about the fact that we sin we are not consenting to the goodness of God’s law which condemns sin.

8:1 So if we are justified by God then these words apply to us. It is a wonderful high calling and a great privilege – which just confirms that we cannot save ourselves.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
 7:4 and 6 It is clear from this that a Christ like life, is not of bondage but of freedom. it is motivated by love for Christ, and the desire to do his will. It is not guided by selfish interests, but by the Word. It is not barren, but fruitful 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 8:38 What can keep us out of the kingdom?  Only believing that God cannot do that which He has promised


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

 

8:29,30 Yahweh knows all things from the beginning to the end.  Therefore, He knows who is marked out for eternal life; see also (Eph 1:5,11).  This does not mean that those marked out will automatically enter the Kingdom.  That depends on acceptable service as well as the grace of Yahweh.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

7:14  Being ‘led by the spirit of God’ is no mystical activity – it is the same situation as Jesus was in when he was tempted in the wilderness – Luke 4:1. Jesus overcame by understanding and applying Scripture to his problems. The spirit Word led him. In like manner it should lead us.

8:9-11  Notice the repeated us of the word ‘if’ whilst salvation is promised to those who will walk after the spirit it is not guaranteed irrespective of the way in which we behave. It is conditional.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
WILL POWER IS NOT ENOUGH
 
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing." (Rom 7:18-19)
 
Of all the problems we have to overcome in this life, the most difficult of all is overcoming our sinful nature. There are several ways we can attempt this. The fist is to ignore it and hope that someday it will go away. Unfortunately, the result of this method only leads to more and more sin, and it never goes away - it only gets worse.
 
The second way is to battle it out by sheer will power. Will power certainly helps and will get us a long way, but unfortunately, will power alone is still not enough - I have learned that from experience! Paul said, "I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out."
 
The third way is to live our lives by the spirit of God. It is the only way we can effectively overcome sin in our lives. That is why we can read in the next chapter of Romans, "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the spirit of life has set me free from the law of sin and death." (Rom 8:1-2) And, "The spirit helps us in our weakness." (v.26)
 
So let's not ignore our sinfulness, but instead do all we can to overcome, always asking for guidance and strength from God, and allowing his spirit to lead us.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Robert
HEART IN TUNE
 
Yes, we sin. Time after time we do wrong things, sometimes we do them and then realise afterward that we have made a mistake. At other times, and hopefully far fewer, we knowingly do the wrong thing. Paul says, and I know exactly what he means, that even when we don't want to do what is wrong, we often find ourselves doing it anyway. And in the same way, when we want to do what is right, we very often don't do it.
 
The big questions is, how do we want to live? Is it our hearts desire to obey God and to do his will? Or does what God want from us come in a late second to the things that we want to do? Paul did stuff wrong, but he wanted to live for God. This is what he said about his mind: "So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin." (Rom 7:25)
 
Our task is to become a slave to God's law, just like Paul was. We need to train our minds to think the way God thinks and to do the things that he wants us to do. Doing God's will must be our hearts desire. When our minds are in training, our bodies will follow. So let's put God first and make the desire in our choices to live for him. Become his slave today.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Robert

 

8:34 Jesus intercedes for us.  That means He helps us with the problems we face due to sin.  It does not mean that He pleads our cause to the Father.  The Father is already on our side - our problem is with sin, not with Yahweh. 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Michael

7:24 It was the custom of ancient tyrants, when they wished to put men to the most fearful punishments, to tie a dead body to them, placing the two back to back; and there was the living man, with a dead body closely strapped to him, rotting, putrid, corrupting, and this he must drag with him wherever he went. This is our experience in Christ. We are tied to a dead body – our sinful nature!


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

8:5    Here is the crux of the matter. How we think determines how we behave.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

7:4 So those Jewish believers are ‘dead to the law’ in the same way as they are ‘dead to sin’. Just as they would not want to be a slave to sin they should not want to be a slave to the law of Moses. The repetition of the phrase ‘dead to …’ forces this point.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

Salvation (lesson 15 of 20 from "Outline of Basic Bible Teachings" by Wes Booker)

I. Things required for salvation (note how all are interelated and dependent on each other):

     A. Hope - Rom 8:24-25   B. Belief or faith - John 3:16   C. Obedience - Heb 5:9   D. Baptism after belief in the gospel - Mark 16:15-16   E. The blood of Christ (or sacrifice of Jesus) - 1John 1:7   F. The grace of God - Eph 2:8-9   G. Keeping in memory what has been preached - 1Cor 15:1-2

II. Three distinct uses of the word "saved". See Jude 1:5; 2Cor 1:10 (KJV):  

     A. Past Tense - Titus 3:4-7;2Tim 1:9 - referring to the sacrificial work of Christ and the believer availing himself of that at baptism.   B. Present Tense - Acts 2:47 (RSV, NIV); 2Cor 2:15-16 (RSV, NIV); 1Cor 1:18 (RSV, NIV); Phil 2:12-13 - a continuous process throughout the whole of a believer's life   C. Future Tense - Matt 10:22;Rom 5:10;13:11

III. "Eternal security" or "once saved, always saved"? Is this teaching scriptural? No, if by believing this, one feels it is impossible for him/her to fall away. Phil 3:10-13;1Cor 9:27;Heb 3:12-14 (notice condition "IF"); 10:26-31;6:4-6; Titus 3:7 compare Rom 8:24; 2Pet 1:4-11;Col 1:22-23; Jude 1:20-21 (KJV)


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Charles

7:13 In showing that the law showed what sin was Paul now deals with the possible response – so the law is the cause of death then? – Paul’s response is no. It is the sin itself that kills, not the law which highlights the sin.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

CHILDREN OF GOD

 

What does it mean to be a child of God? The apostle Paul gives us some good insights in finding the answers to this question in Romans 8.

  1. "Those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." (Rom 8:14) We need to let God's spirit lead us in his way toward his kingdom.
  2. "You did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, bt you received the Spirit of sonship." (v.15) As sons of God we do not need to fear.
  3. "By him we cry, 'Abba, Father.'" (v.15) God is our father, our Daddy. He cares for us and loves us just as our human fathers do (or should do).
  4. "The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children." (v.16) God's Spirit comforts and reassures our spirit, reminding us that we are God's children.
  5. "Now if we are children, then we are heirs - heirs of God." (v.17) Wow! As children of God we are in line for an awesome inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade.
  6. "And co-heirs with Christ." (v.17) Take a look at his resurrected glory. His glory is ours as children of God.
  7. "If indeed we share in his sufferings." (v.17) To show ourselves children of God, we need to do his will. If that means suffering, it is only a small price to pay for being a child of God.
  8. "That we may also share in his glory." (v.17) We will be like him in glory!
  9. The children of God have a glorious freedom, a freedom from sin, guilt and death that even creation is desperately waiting to be released from. (v.22)
  10. "We ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit." (v 23) Of all the world we have the first taste of the Spirit of God in our lives.
  11. "We groan inwardly as we wait for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." (v.23) It is this completing act we long for so much that we groan as we wait.
  12. God predestined us to "be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." (v.29) As children of God our future is secure, predestined for us to not only be like Christ, but also to be his brother.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Robert
7:13It is important that we know the law, so that we know what sin is, even though we have been freed from it. It is this law, or word of God, that feeds the battle within us (16, 22-23).
Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Rob