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| v.33
- The abject grief and emotion caused by this incident (which continues in the
next chapter) is very worthy of our quiet reflection and meditation. Even though
David's experiences generally were far bigger than ours ever will be, even so
we can find great comfort in the fact that his emotions are recorded for us so
graphically, so that we can relate to his situations. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.18
- Even though this part of the record says that Absalom had no children we know
[2
Samuel 14:27] that
he had 'three
sons and one daughter'. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.10
- It seems that often when we hear a person described as 'a certain man' or 'a
certain woman' then this is a person that is doing God's will, or at least standing
for good in his or her actions. Maybe this is always the case. I haven't checked.
This man, whose name is not disclosed here, would not lift his hand against the
king's son, or more specifically against the King's decree. Joab, however, did
not share his scruples. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| In the way that
David had commanded his men not to harm Absalom (2
Samuel 18:5) he created a terrible problem for them. He was the cause of all
the trouble. So one man listened to David's request and left Absalom hanging in
the tree. Another - Joab - disregarded the command of the king. He was a military
man who knew the implications of Absalom's uprising. Maybe they should have left
things for God to deal with? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :21-30
Ahimaaz's desire was to minimise the trauma to David about the death of Absalom.
Cushi, on the other hand, simply passed on the message. Both were able to give
a message but Ahimaaz thought about how to give the message in the kindest way.
This is a lesson for us. It is not only what we say that is important. The way
that we say things is equally important. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 18:18 Absalom violated the law ( Lev 26:1) in setting up a pillar. So we see his vanity got in the way of his service to God. 'pillar' here is the same Hebrew as 'standing image' in Leviticus 26. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.11-13 Nowhere does the record say anything more revealing of the character of Joab than that. He was utterly ruthless. All that he did was for his own power. Then he still had to plunge three darts into the heart of a defenceless man. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| David was as genuinely sorry over Absalom's death as he had been by Saul and Jonathan's killing. The principle in Christ's model prayer, "Forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us" (Luke 11:4), was indeed practised by David 1,000 years before Christ. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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| V.5 This charge "Deal gently with the young man, even Absalom" which David gave to his generals, proceeded not only from his overwhelming affection for his children, but from his consciousness that this rebellion was the chastisement of his own crimes, Absalom being merely an instrument in the hand of retributive Providence. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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V.3 David was constrained by the people not to join them in the campaign. Had he been there, it is unlikely that Joab would be so bold as to kill Absalom. I wonder if Joab was instrumental in persuading the people to influence David not to come. That way he would have a free hand to dispense with Absalom. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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18:3 David is now an old man, but he intended to go into battle. This contrasts with his behaviour – 2Sam 11:1 . Given the uprising of Absalom can be seen as a consequence of his sin with Bathsheba we might conclude that we are being told of his willingness to go to battle so that we can see that he is a changed man. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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18:4 In ‘standing by the gate’ David showed his association with the men going to the battle. In like manner, even if we are unable to go out on a particular work we can show our association with that work. We can tell those whoa re involved of our enthusiasm for the activity or try to provide some support work for the task. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| The death of Absalom was a heavy burden, and it is impossible for any of us not to sympathize with the outburst of feeling that David showed at this time. All the thoughts of victory he had won as king were completely wiped out by the loss that he suffered as a father. His affection for his worthless son, was greater than for what it would have been for anything else that he could have suffered as king. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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18:33 David’s feelings towards Absalom were a blot on David’s attitude to the way that the people and Joab had secured the kingdom for David. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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V.1 It is not certain how many men David had recruited. Josephus believes it was 4000. Others think that it was 10,000, taking a hint from v.3. V.33 David's mourning for the death of Absalom is quite understandable, as a father. But, as a king, he should have given the order for Absalom's death earlier, because Absalom was a murderer. If the murderer had not been his son, David would not have hesitated. We recall the swift punishment of the opportunistic Amalekite (2Sam 1:14,15); and the men who murdered Ish-bosheth (2Sam 4:12), for example. The lesson for us is that we should not give special treatment to our family members, over others, when a matter of justice is concerned. Right is right in God's eyes (1Tim 5:21). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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18:2-3 When Joab went against Rabbah David stayed at home – 2Sam 11:1- and committed adultery with Bathsheba. Now, even though he is an old man, he does not want to make the same mistake of remaining ‘at home’ but is persuaded of the sense of avoiding becoming involved in the conflict. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.1 The phrase, numbered the people (KJV) is different from the same phrase, numbered the people (KJV) found in 2Sam 24:10. Two different Hebrew words are use for numbered. In this verse, numbered comes from the Hebrew word pakad which means to assemble or muster. In 2Sam 24:10, the word for numbered is saphar which means to enumerate. Other versions, like the ESV, make the distinction between the two cases in their translations. Mustering men for war was acceptable in the sight of Yahweh. But, counting men (to determine the shape of the army) meant reliance on the flesh, rather than trusting the strength of Yahweh. This kind of numbering constituted sin. V.8 Wild beasts could have been a consideration for a scattered army in the woods. V.9 Absalom had charmed his way into the hearts of men. But, it was Absalom’s hair, the object of his vanity that became his sudden downfall: Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain… (Prov 31:30, ESV). Suddenly, Absalom was caught, trapped, and about to pay for his treason (Ecc 9:12). V.18 Absalom had nobody to carry on his name, and so he made a monument to himself. He thought, in his conceit, that he could perpetuate himself. But, traitors are soon forgotten (Prov 10:7). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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18:5 David’s charge, which was ignored – 2Sam 18:14 -, was not really sensible advice and showed David still had a soft spot for Absalom. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| 2Sam 15:31;17:23 - Ahithophel betrays the beloved and then hangs himself not unlike Judas (Matt 27:3-5). 2Sam 17:27 - Mahanaim means "two camps" just as we have the "Spirit of life" vs "condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom 8:1-6). 2Sam 18:6 - mentions a "battle" (Christ had to battle against sin just we do - Heb 4:15) and "wood" [Heb. "ya'ar" (3293) means "wood, thicket, etc."]. 2Sam 18:9-10 - Absalom is riding on a mule, Absalom receives a blow to the head (Gen 3:15), Absalom is left hanging in a tree. 2Sam 18:2;18:14 - two mentions of "three" perhaps remind us of the three days Christ was in the pit and rose to victory (an example of divine perfection) on the third day having defeated him that hath the power of death, the devil/sin (Heb 2:14). 2Sam 18:15 - Absalom was slain by "ten" (a number thought to be representative of judgment, completeness, the perfection of divine order) men who surrounded him (Psa 22:16). 2Sam 18:17 - Absalom was cast into a pit covered with stone; he was of a sinful fleshly nature and defeated. 2Sam 18:33,32 - the beloved's own flesh (fleshly nature?) was killed (Rom 6:6;Gal 5:24) and perhaps Absalom represents fleshly nature if not sin. 2Sam 18:24,33 - the beloved arose (was sitting and then went up) when two messengers/angels came to him (2Sam 18:28,31;John 20:12). 2Sam 18:31 - the messengers/angels brought a message of "good news" (NIV) or "Tidings" (KJV) and "deliverance" (NIV). 2Sam 18:4,24;2Sam 19:8 - the beloved arose and all the people came before the king who was at the "gate" [Heb. "sha'ar" (8176) means "opening, door, gate, gate of entrance, port, city"] perhaps reminds us of Jesus who said "...I am the 'door' [Grk. thura (2374) means "door, any opening like a door, an entrance"]: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved..." (John 10:7-9). 2Sam 18:2 - "Ittai" (863) means "with me" and is an example of a Gentile who was faithful to the beloved and will perhaps be saved. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Charles |
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| v.4
- right to the end, God continues to offer salvation to these people under the
covenant relationship that they had with him, if only they would keep their side
of the covenant. Time after time the prophets (especially Jeremiah) bring these
warnings and time after time they are ignored. We see this trait of human nature
so clearly in others, so let us look carefully to ourselves. Are there ways in
which we continually ignore the warnings God gives us? Isa.28:16,
Mark 16:16, Luke 8:12, John 3:15-18,36. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.24
- 'as
... I live saith the LORD' is a mark of the certainty of Yahweh acting on
his own behalf. [Numbers
14:28 Isaiah 49:18 Jeremiah 22:24 Zephaniah 2:9] Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.5
- Scripture is full of these sworn guarantees from God of the consequences of
wrongdoing before Him, and yet throughout the ages mankind has never learnt. We
need to remember this before we start thinking of ourselves as above these things.
We are cast in the same mould as all of the wrongdoers in the past and need to
take heed. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 22:2,
4, 30 The threefold mention of the throne of David should have caused the
king to realise that he had a responsibility to reign that there would always
be a man on David's throne. The warning of the prophet was that if he did not
reign properly he would die childless (22:30)
and so the line of kings sitting on David's throne would cease. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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'Shallum' is in fact 'Jehoahaz' - see RV margin. He was taken captive by Pharaoh
Neco (Ezekiel
19:4 2 Chronicles 36:4) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 22:2,30 In speaking to Zedekiah to the 'throne of David' Jeremiah is emphasising to this man who was of David's line, his responsibilities. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.30 "no man of his seed...upon the throne" This explains the sense in which "childless" is used. Though the succession to the throne failed in his line, still the promise to David (Psa 89:30-37) was revived in Zerubbablel and consummated in Christ. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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If Judah had listened to Jeremiah, then a blessing from God would have followed (Jer 22:3,4). Even at this late stage, God was still prepared to forgive, and to remove the punishment. But if they would not listen, they were made fully aware of the consequences. God is extremely just.
David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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22:12 The historical record of the death of ‘Shallum’ is found in 2Kin 23:24 . So placing confidence in Egypt was not a good idea! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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V.13-19 During the reign of Jehoiakim, covetousness, oppression, and violence were rampant, there was no fear of God. Even the example of a godly father was insufficient to influence him, so we see the sentence that was pronounced upon him in V.19 " He shall be buried with the burial of an ass" John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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Vs.1-9 The proposition that Yahweh places in front of Zedekiah is reminiscent of the blessings and curses of Deut 28.Vs.10-12 Josiah, considered a good king, had been killed by Pharaoh Neco. He was succeeded briefly by his son Shallum (Jehoahaz) but then taken captive to Egypt never to return. Vs.13-19 Shallum's successor to the throne, his older brother Jehoiakim, would be disgraced in death for his ungodly conduct. Vs.20-30 Jehoiakim's son Jehoiachin (Coniah) would briefly reign before being taken to Babylon, there to die. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Michael |
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22:7 The men with destroying weapons are seen, in vision, by Ezekiel – Eze 9:1-2 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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22:6 In saying ‘thou are like Gilead to me’ the prophet is saying that God has a high regard to the king – because he is of the line of David. However this high regard is not sufficient of itself for God not to bring His judgements against him. Being a ‘son of God’ does not remove from us the responsibility of obeying His word. If anything it heightens that responsibility. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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V.23 This verse refers to the temple, which was made from the cedars of Lebanon. The irony how gracious thou shalt be (KJV), shows how pitiful the temple (and all Jerusalem) will be in the eyes of the Babylonians. They will destroy without hesitation or remorse. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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22:19 Jehoiakim was taken captive to Babylon. This is detailed in Eze 19:8-9 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| Jer 22:8-12, Jer 22:24,25 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment. Go to Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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Vs.6,7 Gilead was renowned for its spices, balm, and myrrh (Gen 37:25). These were popular products, but they were very expensive. Balm was worth twice its weight in silver, for example. But, Gilead was also famous for its magnificent oak trees. Lebanon is the majestic mountain region where the towering cedar trees grew. Yahweh vowed to cut down Judah and make it desolate, as if He would hew the beautiful stands of trees of Gilead and Lebanon, to create a wilderness. Trees, in the Bible, are often symbolic of people (e.g. Judg 9:8; Isa 10:18,19; Rev 8:7). V.19 The corpse of an ass was usually thrown into a field and left for the wild animals and birds to consume (See Jer 36:30). V.20 The theme of trees (people) is carried on from vs.6,7. Bashan was noted for its oaks (Isa 2:13). V.23 Lebanon, here, is a reference to the cedar that was used to build the temple. Therefore, it is Jerusalem that is the subject of this verse. V.29 Earth (KJV); land (ESV) is pronounced three times. The reference is to the three kings Shallum, Jehoiakim, and Jeconiah. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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22:8-9 The destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was not just for the benefit of the children of Israel. Remember they were sent to Babylon for their own sakes – Mic 4:10- but it was so the nations could see that the God of Israel expected obedience to His word. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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22:8-9 The destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was not just for the benefit of the children of Israel. Remember they were sent to Babylon for their own sakes – Mic 4:10 - but it was so the nations could see that the God of Israel expected obedience to His word. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| v.7
- There would be likely to be those who claimed covenant relationship with God
via Abraham but not through Isaac amongst his readership. His message to them
is that although they were not part of the chosen people then, they, along with
the whole of the rest of the world, are now able to become part of the new (and
better) covenant. This is the ultimate fulfilment of the promise made to the seed
of Ishmael in Gen.12:3.
See also Gen21:12,
Heb11:18. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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v.33 - As it is written, "Behold, I lay in Sion A STUMBLING STONE AND ROCK OF OFFENCE: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Draws on the following passages: Isaiah 8:14, 28:16 The UPPER CASE text is from Isaiah 8, as the integration below shows. Romans
9:33 Behold, I lay
in Sion Romans
9:33 a stumblingstone
and rock of offence: Romans
9:33 and whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Thus we can gain an insight into how two areas of Isaiah speak, prophetically, of the same event. This use in Romans allows us to conclude that the two passages in Isaiah are, indeed, related to each other. This will help us in our studies in Isaiah. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| 9:7
A recurring problem that the Jews had was that they thought that simply being
Abraham's descendants guaranteed salvation and God's approval . Jesus had to reprove
this view John
8:39. The use of Genesis
21:12 shows that it is those who are of the promise who are the seed, not
the ones of the flesh. Notice how Paul :8
speaks of the children of the flesh - again he is reminding us of the point we
saw in chapter 7. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| The force of this
chapter is that 'election' not right marks the way to God. Israel thought their
'election' was by right. In reality they, like the gentiles have no inherent rights
before God. God confers benefits on both Jew and gentile. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 9:4 Whilst Israel was the nation to whom pertained the ‘adoption’ because of their unbelief we are now adopted sons and daughters. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.22 If God bore with great patience those whom He knew would never be accept Christ, should not we have at least a little patience with people who, though now unbelievers, may still, by God's grace, experience a fundamental change of heart, and put on the saving Name of Christ. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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9:19-21 Some might question the way in which God behaves. Critics often say that God is not fair. Here Paul demonstrates tat Paul is supremely fair – after all He made us all. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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Vs.24-26 The supreme, self-existent God, Yahweh, created all heaven and earth and everything found therein (Psa 104). He does not need anyone's permission to do what He likes with His creation. He can create, destroy, and re-create His living creatures at His convenience and pleasure (Psa 104:29,30; vs.19-21). Since the fall of Adam, humankind has deserved to die (Rom 5:12). But Yahweh, in His mercy, has invited humans to live. He had Jesus in mind from the beginning. God's mercy is centered in Jesus (1Pet 1:20). First, He chose a nation for His inheritance (Deut 7:6; Psa 32:11). Afterwards, His invitation extended to the Gentiles. Yahweh has then called both Jews and Gentiles to life in Jesus. His invitation has gone out to everyone (Mark 13:10). However, comparatively few have accepted His offer of salvation, most choosing the world's offerings rather than eternal life (Matt 7:13,14). Let us be glad of our call and endeavor to obey and serve our Savior both now and for ever (2Pet 1:10). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Michael |
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9:27 In quoting Isa 10:22 showing that there will be a remnant or Israel who will be saved Paul shows that God’s fairness requires a response from the individual. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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9:12 Whilst we might have thought that the relationship between Jacob and Esau was simply a matter of choice by God actually it highlights a fundamental principle. We must be aware that the things that are written in the Old testament are more than mere history. They outline the mind of our Father. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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Vs.18-23 Yahweh chooses and molds whom He will. A like figure was shown to Jeremiah in our recent reading (Jer 18:2-6). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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9:8 The ‘children of the promise’ not firstborn pre-eminence is again stressed. So the element of God making promises to Abraham of the land highlights the way that God will work. By ‘promise’ not by right. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.5 Trinitarians like to point to this verse as proof that Jesus is God. We must remember that there is no punctuation in Greek, and so different versions will have different punctuation. Look at the KJV: …the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. And the ESV: …is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. The KJV leaves room to separate Jesus from God, but the ESV does not. However, the RSV clearly separates Jesus from His Father: To them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen. But, no version poses any problem if we understand God-manifestation. It is clear that the Bible teaches Yahweh is over Christ (1Cor 11:3). Jesus, Himself, states that he cannot act without the power of the Father (John 5:19,30). Jesus has been given all power, but when His role is completed, He (and His immortalized brethren) will yield to Yahweh and He will be manifested in all (1Cor 15:24-28). In the Old Testament, those acting in the Name of God were called God (called by His Name). For example, the angels who appeared to Abraham were called Yahweh (Gen 18:1,2). And so, it should not be surprising that Jesus, who acted in the Name of His Father, should not be called God. In fact, with that very understanding, Thomas called Him God (John 20:26-28). And so, if we understand the nature and role of Jesus; His relationship with His Father; the principle of God-manifestation, then we will not be confused with erroneous doctrines such as that of the Trinity. Vs.15-21 run counter to the Pollyanna attitude that some have about God. Those who quote God is love (1John 4:8) etc. as proof of an all-accepting God, misunderstand. The God of the Bible is not obliged to any man. Therefore, in the unfolding drama of God's plan, we must count ourselves extremely fortunate that He has called us to salvation. In God's drama, we are in leading roles while the rest of the world is supporting cast. We should also count our brethren, who share the same hope, as precious (1Pet 2:3,4). To all others we preach, not knowing to whom God will extend His grace. From this chapter, examples of how The Old Testament qualifies the New Testament: Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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9:12 The point of the second born – Jacob – being God’s choice – reinforced with the issue of Jacob and Esau and the way in which the prophet Mal 1:2-3 highlights God’s choice adds to the point being made about Isaac in verse Rom 9:7 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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Who is v22 talking about: "the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction"? One example is in v17 and another in v13. Notice also how Paul continues to pray for them as long as there is hope (10:1) Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Rob |
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