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| v.1-10
- When we see these little incidents recorded, here of a man of God who was clearly
of significance but who is not even named, it makes us realise how selective the
message is. The significance of this observation is that we should take note of
every single word of scripture, as it is recorded in the greatest brevity, and
must be studied to be of the greatest relevance to us. 2Tim2:15 Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.1-6 - We have here an example of the incidents which would allow the people to test the prophets. At least part of what this prophet said took place immediately after he has spoken it, and the miracle of the disbaling of Jeroboam's arm and its re-enabling were instant too. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| Jeroboam was an
evil king. Even though he had a direct message from a prophet sent to speak with
him (13:1)
he disregarded the message and sought to pursue his own plans (13:33) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :6-7
So Jeroboam is healed, despite his wickedness. However he then adds insult to
injury by offering the prophet a 'reward' as if one can buy God's favour. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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13:11 The 'old prophet' appears as a sad and inadequate old man perhaps seeking some revival of his former status by persuading the 'man of God' to share his meal. His subsequent actions show proper remorse and perhaps it can be said that God used his attempts to relive former glories to teach the lesson of obedience, to how severely God looked on the events associated with Bethel, and perhaps remind us older ones that we do get to an end of our former duties and have to let go rather than pretend we can still do what once we did. 13:20 It is a little surprising to think of a prophet whose word is not of God later being used by God. The Heb. Phrase for the prophet that brought him back occurs also in v23 where clearly it refers to 'he whom God has brought back' (that is to Bethel). Therefore the 'old prophet' of v11 (and who died in v18) is a false prophet and here the word of YHVH comes now to 'he who has been brought back' (the prophet of v1) and it is YHVH who speaks to him in v21. So, v26 'which he spake unto him'. The evil consisted in eating in idolatrous Bethel (v2) and in accepting as revelation that contrary to his own without asking God for confirmation. There are lessons here for us. Paraphrase, (As they sat at meat, the word of YHVH came to the prophet who had been brought back [to Bethel] and said to him, because you have disobeyed...') Derek Palmer [Tenby (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Derek |
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| 13:24 The slaying of the prophet who disobeyed the word of the Lord brings judgment from God - judgment which is a fulfillment of Lev 26:22 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.33-34 No doubt Jeroboam would have liked to keep all these things to himself, but that was not the intention of God. The destruction of the alter,V.3 the withered hand,V.4 and the grave of the disobedient prophet :30 all stood as witnesses to the fact that God had spoken. The warning went unheeded. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| One good deed does not compensate for the next evil one. The "Man of God" (1Kin 13:1) obeyed God at first, but then disobeyed when the old prophet invited him back to his house. I admit that it would have been difficult for the younger prophet to differentiate, especially when the old man lied about "an angel spake unto me by the word of the Lord". But God does not change His mind, or go back on His word, and the younger man should have realised that. David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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V.18 The young prophet was duped by the lie from the old prophet, which cost him his life. There have always been those who have spoken falsely in the name of Yahweh - and not all have claimed to be prophets. Take, for example, Rabshakeh's claim as he threatened Jerusalem (2Kin 18:25). Those speaking falsely in the name of Yahweh have continued through New Testament time right into our own. It is our responsibility to examine all claims by the Word of God (1John 4:1). No deviation from the Word of God is allowed (Deut 5:32). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Michael |
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I looked in an old Sunday School lesson (1895) and found the following comment regarding the Verse 32: The old prophet recognised the event as from God, and had implicit faith also in the fulfilment of what had been prophesied concerning altar. Vol. 32: The Christadelphian : Volume 32. 2001, c1895. The Christadelphian, volume 32. (electronic ed.). Logos Library System (Vol. 32, Page 148). Birmingham: Christadelphian Magazine & Publishing Association. Jean Cheetham [Moorestown New Jersey (US)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Jean |
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13:2 This amazing prophecy of a man named Josiah was fulfilled in 2Chron 34:8. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| V.18 We must obey the Word of God even if a messenger, claiming the authority of Yahweh, says differently (Gal 1:8). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Michael |
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13:4 The drying up of Jeroboam’s arm because he would not listen to the counsel of God made him a bad shepherd of the people. This idea is taken up by the prophet – Zech 11:17 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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HOW TO SEE A LIE
None of us would want to end up in the position of the prophet from Judah. Having been sent by God to warn and prophesy against Jereboam, and having done all that God sent him to do successfully, he was deceived into disobeying the LORD on the way home. As a result the prophet from Judah was killed by a lion as he travelled.
As we read the story of the old prophet from Bethel deceiving the prophet of Judah, it is easy for us to see the lie. We are told, "But he was lying to him." But the prophet of Judah had no such revelation, and neither do we when people lie to us. It would be easier if everyone had a Pinochio nose and we could see the lie as it was said, but that is not the case. So how do we discern between the voice of God and the voice of a lie?
People working in banks spot counterfeit money very easily. They recognise it instantly because they handle the real thing so often. Their familiarity with genuine money makes it easy to see the differences in a fraud. The best way for us to get to know the difference between God's word and lies is to get to know God and his word with absolute familiarity. God does not change. If we know his truth because we are with him and hear him so often, we will recognise lies at once.
The young prophet should have known that God would not change his mind. Are we familiar enough with God so that we can tell the difference between truth and lies? Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Robert |
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13:8 The prophet’s refusal of food from Jeroboam is because he does not want to be identified as having fellowship with the king. He has spoken God’s word and now he will leave. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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There is a caution, in this episode, for believers and would-be believers. If a religious authority figure, with apparent credentials, presents something, it must be checked out by the Word of God (the Bible). Such was the case of the Bereans, as they checked out the preaching of Paul and Silas in the scriptures (Acts 17:11). If scripture agrees with what is presented, then accept it. If it does not, then reject it. The authority or charisma of the presenter has no bearing on the Truth, only the Word. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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V.2 This prophecy was fulfilled by Josiah exactly as it had been foretold (2Kin 23:15-20). V.13 This old man must have been a false prophet. If he were a true prophet, he would not have lied (v.18). And so, it would appear that it was a shock to the old man to actually receive a message from Yahweh (vs.20-22). This episode sounds similar to the account of the witch of Endor, who also received a manifestation from Yahweh. That is the reason she cried out in shock (1Sam 28:12-14). Yahweh used both these false elements, the old prophet and the witch of Endor, to convey His message to the offending parties (Prov 26:5). Like the witch of Endor, this old prophet did not seem to receive any sanction, from Yahweh, for his error. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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13:11 that the sons came and told their father about the man of God shows that the old prophet, whilst living in a Godless environment wanted to know about the good things that happened. It is all too easy for us to dwell on the bad things and not be encouraged by the good things that happen. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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10 - by this action Nebuzaradan provided an interesting result - the poor
of the people inherited the land, at least temporarily, each under their own vine,
as it were. So even in this turmoil, and after 18 months of war (v.1,2)
there is the plan of God shining forth in type. ch.40:7
2Kings 25:12 Eze.33:24. Reminiscent of the words of James in ch.2:5,
and of the beatitudes of Jesus in Matt
5:1-12. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.12-14
- How Jeremiah must have rejoiced at this change in his fortunes. He had been
in the worst of circumstances for so much of his later life. This was an oasis
in the desert, as it were. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 39:6
In the description of what happened to Zedekiah that he saw his sons slain and
then was blinded before being taken to Babylon we see how the words of Ezekiel
(12:13)
in Babylon were fulfilled. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :14
The way that the Babylonians dealt with Jeremiah is a further example of the
care of his God for him. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 39:1 'besieged it' quotes Deut 28:52. You will, if you have been marking your Bible since this site started, have noticed that Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 are quoted extensively by the prophets. Jeremiah in particular makes extensive quotations from these two chapters to show Israel that they, because of their actions, are being punished by God. This is important because it would be all too easy for Israel to think the problems they were experiencing wre natural disasters which befall all. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.7 Judah was blind to its sin; Like the poor, blinded king stumbling his way to Babylon, the poeple stumbled spiritually in the same direction. We need to be aware that many who supported the princes in the days of Zedekiah thought they were doing right. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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V.11-12 It appears that Jeremiah's prophecies were known to Nebuchadnezzar through deserters (Jer 38:19;, Jer 39:9) Hence the kings kindness to him. "do him no harm" John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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| Vs.16-18 Ebed-melech was not cut off, but was preserved for his trust in Yahweh. If we trust in Yahweh, we shall also be preserved for salvation in the Kingdom (Prov 3:5,6). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| God’s word came true. Jerusalem was taken. How it must have hurt the Lord God! David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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39:3 The six named men here answer to the six men of Eze 9:2 (a contemporary prophet) who had slaughter weapons in their hands as they went to destroy Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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39:1-2 From the details in this chapter we can see that the siege of Jerusalem n the days of Zedekiah lasted 18 months. This will help us to understand the desperate state of the people n the city by the time the city was taken. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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39:4-5 Zedekiah had already been told – Jer 34:3 - that he would not escape. So this was a vain attempt which showed his total lack of confidence in his God. So the words of :5 are inevitable. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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- Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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Vs.1,2 The final invasion of Jerusalem began in January and lasted approximately one year and a half (which includes the time-out for the Babylonians to deal with the Egyptians). V.5 Riblah is situated on the River Orontes, in Lebanon, about 143 km. north-east of Beirut. The city was well situated to fertile plains, as well as the forests of Lebanon. Thus, all needs were well supplied. It lay, about half-way, on the trade route between Egypt and Mesopotamia. And so, it made an ideal garrison city as well as a trading stop-over. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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39:9 The comment that the Chaldeans took the ‘remnant’ captive marks the final end of the kingdom of Judah. Despite the repeated warnings from the prophets the threefold captivity is now complete. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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| Jer 39:1,2 First Principles>Kingdom of God>Was overturned>History of fulfilment 5. Judah (the Southern Kingdom) continued for another 200 years after Israel, the Northern Kingdom and the last king was Zedekiah. It was overtured three times (prophesied Eze 21:25-27), then to remain desolate for many years Hos 3:4. - The first overturning was in BC 606 in Jehoiakim's reign. (Prophesied Jer 27:6) 2Kin 24:2, Dan 1:1, 2Chron 36:6. - The second overturning was in BC 597 in Jehoiachin's reign 2Kin 4:10, 2Chron 36:10. - The third overturning was in BC 587 in Zedekiah's reign. (Prophesied Jer 21:7, Jer 34:2) Jer 38:28, Jer 39:1,2, Jer 52:4-5, Eze 24:1-2, 2Kin 25:2, 2Chron 36:7. Go to Deut 28:49 to see more details of the history of Israel and its overturning. Roger Turner [Lichfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Roger |
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V.9 Had Zedekiah, his sons, and his officials stayed in Jerusalem, and surrendered, they would have been saved (Jer 38:17,18). Vs.11,12 Yahweh used His servant Nebuchadnezzar to keep His prophet safe (Jer 27:6). V.13 The Babylonian name pre-fix Nebu (or Nabu, in the case of Assyria), was in honor of Nebo the Babylonian god of literature and science. V.14 Gedaliah was appointed, by Nebuchadnezzar, to be the Governor of Judah, in charge of the poor people who remained (v.10). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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39:11-12 Having finished his witness against Judah from the days of Josiah God now provides Jeremiah with care. Humanly speaking the Chaldeans might have thought it a kindness to do because he, after all, had been encouraging the people to surrender to the Chaldeans. However God was in control of the care of Jeremiah even though it looked to be the most normal thing to happen. We should not think that the ‘natural;’ events in our lives are simply ‘chance’. Our God takes care of us also. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| v.9
clearly speaks of times like those of Paul before Agraippa and Felix and Festus
etc., but, given the obvious relevance of these verses to current events to take
place before the return of Jesus, should we be expecting this type of treatment
ourselves? If so, are we ready to give an answer for those things which we believe?
1Pet.3:15 Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| Whereas we might
think that this prophecy was given to show the disciples when Jerusalem was going
to be overthrown by the Romans Jesus' focus is more personal. He is concerned
to warn the disciples about the perils that would befall them at this time. Notice
these words. :5 take heed :7 be ye not troubled :9 take heed :23 take heed :33 take heed :35 watch :37 watch Jesus' prime focus was to prepare his disciples for that terrible time rather than to tell them when it would be. Likewise we should view the prophecies about the events surrounding the return of Jesus as providing us with comfort and encouragement rather than try to work out in advance exactly what will happen, and then fall out with our brothers and sisters when they disagree with our interpretation. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| We might think
that the prophecy was a result of questioning by all the disciples. It was not.
'One' of the disciples commented about the temple. Jesus answered 'him' saying
that the temple would be destroyed. It was only when they crossed the Kedron valley
and sat down that three of them asked 'privately' when these things would happen
(Mark
13:1-4) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| I have always
found the Mount Olivet prophecy very confusing. Some of the prophecy obviously
applies to AD 70 and the destruction of Jerusalem, but it's almost impossible
to fit all of it into this event. The rest of the prophecy seems to be speaking
of the return of Christ, but it's very hard to work out which is which. Why this
mix up?
In v4, the disciples ask Jesus the question "when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?". The disciples didn't realise then, that the time of the gentiles was to come after the destruction of the temple, and that the kingdom wouldn't come immediatly. To them, the question was one question about one event. To Jesus, however, it was two questions, and he answered it as such. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Rob |
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13:14 In saying 'flee to the mountains' Jesus is quoting Gen 19:17 - the exhortation to Lot from the angels before the overthrow of Sodom. A clear warning for the disciples. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.10 The world wide proclamation of the gospel is a Divine must. More and more we are coming into possession of the tools that enable us to proclaim the good news. The unprecedented progress in the knowledge of foreign languages; along with transportation and travel facilities beyond anything the world has ever known. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Vs.24-27;32-37 This chapter contains what is termed the Olivet Prophecy. This prophecy is essentially dealing with the events of AD 70, but seems, also, to have references to Christ's Second Advent. Comparable accounts can be found in Matt 24 and Luke 21.V.22 False prophets and false Christs did appear in the first century. Gamaliel makes mention of a couple (Acts 5:36,37). The dates of their activities are not clear, although Josephus mentions a Theudas who led an unsuccessful rebellion against the Romans in 44 AD. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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13:26 Jesus uses the words 'coming in the clouds' again (Mark 14:62) to the high priest signalling that his return is associated with the events of this chapter. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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13:20 Notice that ‘for the elect’s sake he hath shortened those days’. God in His wisdom not only has made provision but He, through His son, is willing to tell us what He has planned also. Rather than trying to work out the details of what will happen around the time of the return of Jesus we maybe should focus on the care the Father has taken over us. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 13:3 Mark, here adds the phrase opposite the temple, it allows our imagination to wonder a little, thinking of the picture the disciples would be looking at as the Master spoke to them. While listening to the words of doom, they would have been looking across the valley at the pride of the city. With the setting sun, the roof of the temple would have been bathed in a sea of golden glory. There would have also been the terraced courts, and the marble would have seemed to shine and sparlle in the light of the setting sun. There would have been total silence and a decree of sorrow among them. Now we can sense why the question was finally asked Tell us, when will this happen? John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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13:12 The conflict between members of one family was prophesied by the prophet – Mic 7:6 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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13:14 Whilst we might wonder why Jesus was so enigmatic about the prophecy of Daniel we must remember that at this time in his life Jesus did not know everything yet – Mark 13:32. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Vs.32,33 We do not know precisely when the Lord will return. Yes, we should watch current events as they unfold in the geo-political heavens. This will bolster our faith and spur us on, especially if we talk it up amongst ourselves (Heb 10:25). Trying to conclude time frames for end-time prophecy, with numerical precision, is not helpful in the light of Matt 25:13 Rather, let us just watch and pray, and stand firm (1Cor 16:13). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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13:25 ‘the son of man coming in the clouds’ echoes the words of Dan 7:13, clearly a latter day prophecy. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| Peter, James and John are the prominent disciples in the gospels. So why is Andrew mentioned with them in v3? Could it be Andrew was the disciple who had spoken in v1, but had been too shy to ask Jesus for clarification? He may have been speaking about it with the others, when the more outgoing among them decided to ask Jesus. This is a simple example of how we're all different, and how we can all help each other along. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Rob |
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