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| v.11
- Twice now Jehoshaphat has sought a prophet of the Lord (here
and 1Kings 22:7). It is a sad fact that other prophets (it seemed) were in
some abundance, but the prophet of the Lord had to be sought out. Nevertheless
we find this still to ring true. Wordly wisdom (which is foolishness with God)
is available - and more and more so as our communications networks go from strength
to strength, but the Godly wisdom that we desire is found only through self-denial
and much heartache. 1Cor.3:19
James 1:2-5 Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.2-3
This testimony indicates that outward appearance is not sufficient. A man is what
he thinks Proverbs
23:7. Jehoram gave an outward show but his heart was still far from God. The
lesson for us that our live must be 'transformed' Romans
12:1 both in the way that we think Philippians
2:5 and by our actions James
1:22 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.2
- We see here that there are degrees of idolatry, but that all degrees are evil.
Just because we don't have idols does not mean that we have conquered covetousness,
which Paul tells us is idolatry (Col.3:5) Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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:7 That Jehoram was able to tell Jehoshaphat that his 'horses' were many tells us, almost incidentally, that he had forsaken the commandment (Deuteronomy 17:16) give to Israel. Brother Michael Parry has made the following suggestion. The felling of the 'good' trees (vs.19,25) might seem, at first glance, to be contrary to the Law (Deut 20:19). However, on closer examination, we see that there is no contradiction. The prohibition under the Law to cutting down 'good' trees only applied in laying seige to a city. Trees that bear fruit had to be preserved while others could be cut down to help in the seige (Deut 20:20). The idea of laying seige to a city was to ultimately force the residents of the city to yield and give up the city to the attackers. The city would not be destroyed but occupied by the new tenants. Thus, the good 'trees' had to be preserved for the continuation of city life. However, the Moabite cities were not seiged for their continuance but were utterly destroyed (vs.19,25). Thus, the destruction of everything, including the 'good' trees, was appropriate.
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This seems to be a very sensible explanation. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :16-24
So Israel waited in the camp and their enemies came, thinking that they would
be able to spoil the camp - and were defeated. However Israel had to just stand
and wait for their enemies to come - that they might realise that the deliverance
was of God. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| REACTION TO
TROUBLE It had been a whole week that the kings of Israel, Judah and Edom had been tramping through the desert. Now they discovered that they had run out of water and were defenseless against the armies of Moab. The reactions of the king of Israel and the king of Judah can be very typical of our response when we are caught in similar situations. The reaction of Joram, king of Israel was to instantly turn and blame the LORD for the situation they were in - although it was not as if they had asked the advice of the LORD in the first place. "What!" exclaimed the king of Israel. "Has the LORD called us three kings together only to hand us over to Moab?" (2 Kings 3 v 10) When things don't go as well as we expect they should, do we blame God as our first port of call even though we did not seek his advice earlier? Jehosophat, the king of Judah, had a more noble reaction. Seeing no way out of his predicament, he turned to the LORD. "Is there no prophet of the LORD here, that we may enquire of the LORD through him?" he asked. (2 Kings 3 v 8) Why did he wait until he could go no further before asking for the LORD's advice? Do we? Let's not blame God for our problems or use him as a last resort, but seek his guidance first, getting him to show us the right way. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Robert |
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| 3:2 Here we have some additional information about Ahab. 1Kin 16:31 tells us the he worshipped Baal and made an altar. Here we learn that he made an image also. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.2-3 It is true that at the start of this chapter Jehoram is credited with putting away the image of Baal that Ahab had made; but the overall description of him is that he was evil, and that he followed in the ways of Jeroboam the son of Nebat. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Today's chapter speaks of 3 kings coming to Elisha's door. What an honour! 3 Kings coming to seek his advice! Now for the "type": the water which brought salvation to the kings, brought death to the enemy.
David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to David |
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| V.6 Jehoram made a levy from his own subjects, and at the same time sought an alliance with Jeehosaphat, which, as on the former occasion between his father Ahab and Jehosaphat was readily promised(1Kin22:4) John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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Vs.19,25 The felling of the good trees might seem, at first glance, to be contrary to the Law (Deut 20:19). However, on closer examination, we see that there is no contradiction. The prohibition under the Law to cutting down good trees only applied in laying siege to a city. Trees that bear fruit had to be preserved while others could be cut down to help in the siege (Deut 20:20). The idea of laying siege to a city was to ultimately force the residents of the city to yield and give up the city to the attackers. The city would not be destroyed but occupied by the new tenants. Thus, the good trees had to be preserved for the continuation of city life. However, the Moabite cities were not laid to siege for their continuance, but were utterly destroyed. And so, the destruction of everything, including the good trees, was appropriate. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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3:14 Jehoshaphat must have been brought up with a start when he heard the words of the prophet. He was compromised by association with Jehoram – doubtless because of the marriage between his son and the house of Ahab. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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3:1 The identification of the overlap between Ahab and Jehoshaphat should alert us to the fact that this overlap will highlight some connections between the two kings. All the kings overlapped right up to the end of Hoshea’s reign in Samaria but the overlap is rarely mentioned. We are being invited to think about the overlap so we should be looking, in the narrative, for points of contact. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| Jehorham was a man who made no mark in the history of his kingdom, and whose life was characterized only by his lack of faith in the God of Israel. He was not unlike other kings of Israel who cleave to the sins of Jeroboam. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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Vs.7,9 Joram called upon Jehoshaphat to help him put down the rebellious king of Moab. Jehoshaphat agreed and also brought along the king of Edom. There were friendly ties between Judah and Israel, at this time. Jehoshaphat's son, Jehoram, married Ahab's daughter Athaliah (Joram's sister). Judah had dominance over Edom, but, as we will see later, in Ch. 8, Edom successfully rebelled against Judah and gained its independence. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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3:11 So Jehoshaphat tries to bring a Scriptural approach to the problem – however he is fighting a losing battle. He would have done better not to be there at all. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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V.15 Elisha was very upset at the presence of the three kings. An agitated mind is not conducive to addressing Yahweh. And so, Elisha called for a musician to help him calm down. Remember, this is how David was able to calm Saul down from his dark moods (1Sam 16:23). Yahweh had given Elijah a lesson as to how He addressed His people. It was not in a state of tumult, but in calm (1Kin 19:12). If we are upset, then let us not approach Yahweh until we have calmed down. This is proper. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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3:4-5 This rebellion is the background to the reproof of Moab by the prophet – Isa 16:1 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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Vs.:2,3 Although Jehoram stopped Baal worship, worship of the golden calves that Jeroboam had set up in Dan and Bethel, continued. V.6 Under the law, when numbering occurred, a tax would also have been collected (Exo 30:12,13). V.9 Although Edom had been subdued and incorporated into Israel it would later rebel. This traditional enemy of Israel would go on to help Nebuchadnezzar against Judah. V.22 The low, red sun on the eastern horizon, reflected off the ditches of water, which appeared to the Moabites as blood. V.27 For the Moabites, the battle had been lost. The king of Moab was trapped. In desperation and anger, he did that which was abhorrent to the Israelites under the Law. He sacrificed his son to Chemosh (the Moabite equivalent to the Ammonite god Molech) (Lev 18:21). The Israelites were horrified by this act, and withdrew from the battleground. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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3:7 Yet again the king of Israel calls for Jehoshaphat to assist him in battle. Ahab and Ahaziah had both done so and now Jehoram does the same. The house of Israel and the house of Judah were now connected by marriage Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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2Kin 3:9,11 - lack of water may hint a spiritual drought of the word - they should have inquired of God initially. 2Kin 3:10,13 - Jehoram had no faith in God that he would be delivered from Moab. 2Kin 3:20,22,23,24 - V.20 mentions sacrifice and in the following verses we have mention of water with an appearance of blood which led to salvation for some and death for the enemy (sin?) - see David Simpson's 2004 comments. We recall when Christ was pierced in his side blood and water poured out (John 19:34). 2Kin 3:19,25,27 - God's instructions to overthrow every city of Moab were not carried out and we have a sacrifice of a firstborn son (death of sinful nature?). Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Charles |
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| v.2
The word for fanners (zuwr <02114>)
is normally translated strange or stranger. Here are a selection of the 76 occurrences
- Exo.29:33
Lev 10:1 (strange fire) 2Kings 19:24 (strange waters) Psa.54:3 Jer 18:14 (that
come from another place) Eze.14:5 (estranged). The stark contrast between
the man in Christ and the man who exercises his free will not to accept this position
is emphasised throughout scripture by the use of this word. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.50
In speaking of letting Jerusalem come into the mind Jeremiah is reminding the
people of what Solomon said. [ 1
Kings 8:30,35,42,44,48 2 Chronicles 6:26,34,38]The faithful prophet Daniel
[Daniel
6:10] took Solomon and Jeremiah's word to heart. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.5
gives us an insight into the wonderful forgiveness of our God, without which we
would be without hope. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| 51:37
That Babylon ceased to be known as a city until recent excavations proved that
the city and Nebuchadnezzar existed shows that these words were actually fulfilled.
The detail and finality of the prophecies confirms that this is indeed the word
of God. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :33-34
Whilst Babylon were a powerful oppressor they were no match for Yahweh. He is
the one who is 'strong' . Israel had to understand that they were taken to Babylon,
not because Yahweh was weak but because He was strong and they were weak and in
need of correction. He, being strong, would eventually deliver them also. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED This chapter
and chapter 50 contains some dreadful prophecies that speak of the total destruction
of Babylon. They were given by Jeremiah just as the Babylonian empire was reaching
the peak of its glory. Once Jeremiah had written it all down on a scroll he
told Seraiah to take it and read it to the people of Babylon. Whether they chose
to take the warnings seriously and listen to them or not was up to them - but
they had been warned and when it happened they would know it was from the LORD.
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51 The fall of Babylon forms the basis for much of the language in Revelation
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.45-53 Judgement and its effects. God's people should now be sojourners in this city which was doomed. Unattached, they could disregard rumour and unrest, the rise and fall of Nebuchadnezzer's successors. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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| READY TO LEAVE? When the Babylonians first attacked Jerusalem and carried away captives, Jeremiah wrote to the exiles and told them, "Build houses and settle down; plant gardens and eat what they produce. Marry and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters." (Jer 29:5-6) In other words the captives were to settle down in their new land and make the most of being there. Jeremiah also told them that the captivity was to last seventy years and at the end of it they would be able to return home to Israel. What we read in Jeremiah 51 is quite different. Here the call comes for God's people to flee from Babylon. "Flee from Babylon! Run for your lives! Do not be destroyed because of her sins. It is time for the Lord's vengeance; he will pay her what she deserves." (Jer 51:6) Their stay in Babylon was only temporary. They had to live in her but not become so attached that they would never leave. God expected them to live in Babylon but not to be part of it - especially when it came to its wickedness. This reminds us of what John says, "Do not love the world or anything in the world." (1John 2:15) If we love the things of the world we will find it hard to come out of Babylon when we are called. The call will come. As Babylon is finally about to be destroyed toward the end of the book of Revelation, we read, "Come out of her my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues." (Rev 18:4) Are we ready to leave everything for Christ? Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Robert |
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Vs.59-61 We very often associate the warnings against Babylon with prophets such as Daniel (who went to Babylon with the first wave of captives); and Ezekiel (who was likely in Babylon). Indeed, Daniel was there to interpret Babylon's and Belshazzar's downfall when the writing was, literally, on the wall (Dan 5:24-31). However, we must not forget that the writings of Jeremiah also went to Babylon to instruct the Jews what was to happen. Daniel, himself, was instructed by the words of Jeremiah (Dan 9:2). And, here, we have just read that Seraiah (the chief priest Jer 52:24) was charged to read Jeremiah's words concerning the destruction of Babylon to the Babylonian captives. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| Today we have another chapter about the eventual fall of Babylon. God tells the Jews here (Jer 51:8-13), that not only will the capture of Babylon give God’s people their freedom to return to the Promised Land, but also that it will be the Medes who take Babylon. What a great prophecy! David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)] Comment added in 2005 reply to David |
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51:37 In the overthrow and destruction of Babylon we see a reversal of Jerusalem’s fate – Jer 9:11. Babylon, the oppressor, now suffers the fate of the city she oppressed. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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V.6 The warning to Israel to flee from Babylon, lest they should be involved in the punishment of her iniquity. The exhortation for spititual Israel is still the same in the 21st century, as we await our future king's return. "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues" Rev 18:4 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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51:21 The destruction of the horse and rider mimics what happened to Egypt Exo 15:1 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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Hebrew prophecy often has double applications. The Babylon of Jeremiah's time is mirrored by a Babylonian system of idolatrous worship found in the end times. The Medo-Persian Empire destroyed the first Babylon. The second Babylon will be destroyed by Jesus when He returns to earth. Look at a few of the parallels: v.7 cf. Rev 17:2; 18:3; v.8 cf. Rev 14:8. V.45 The Jews were urged to flee Babylon. We are urged to do the same thing (Rev 18:4). We should vigorously avoid any association with the present-day Babylon and its false beliefs and practices. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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51:25 The ‘burnt mountain’ motif is picked up in Rev 8:8 to speak of the overthrow of Babylon spoken of there. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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Vs.7,8 These verses are mirrored in Rev 14:8;17:4;18:2,9, amongst other verses. The first application considers physical Babylon, which was conquered by Cyrus. The second application concerns spiritual Babylon, the apostate church, which will be conquered by Jesus when he returns to earth. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Michael |
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51:42 In speaking of the covering of Babylon with ‘the multitude of the waves’ we see the destruction of Babylon being likened to the destruction of Egypt when Israel were delivered under Moses – Exo 15:10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.2 The use of fanners (KJV); winnowers (ESV) employs the metaphor of the Medes as farmers who will separate the wheat from the chaff at harvest time. Babylon is considered the chaff (Psa 1:4). V.6 Likewise, Jesus’ people are told to flee spiritual Babylon, the apostate system of worship (Rev 18:4). V.13 The great whore of Babylon sits on many waters also. The phrase, many waters is synonymous with many people. According to Wikipedia on the Roman Catholic Church, Church membership in 2007 was 1.147 billion people. The Catholic population increase of 139% outpaced the world population increase of 117% between 1950 and 2000. V.16 When Jesus returns, there will physical and political changes that will take place on a magnitude not seen before. Jesus will forcefully eradicate all ungodliness, which includes spiritual Babylon (Rev 16:18). Vs.20-23 Compare this with the role of Jesus in the latter days (Psa 2:7-9). Vs.25,26 Babylon would be made desolate, never again to be inhabited (vs.37,62; Isa 13:19-22). The same treatment will apply to spiritual Babylon (Rome) in the end times (Rev 18:10,19). V.41 Sheshak is a code word for Babel (Babylon). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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v41, in referring to Babylon as Sheshach, is referring us to the other time Jeremiah uses that code name. It's like when your wife only calls you "Jonathan" when she's angry with you, and "Jon" the rest of the time. You know exactly what that form of the name means to you. So also here, we know Jeremiah wants us to link this passage with Jer 25:26. Here in 25:17-27 is a long list of the nations that would be made desolate by the judgements God would bring upon them. It starts with Jerusalem in v18 as an example. Then all the middle eastern nations in v19-25, followed by the "kings of the north" and finally "all the kingdoms of the world which are on the face of the earth" (v26). After that, Babylon would be judged as a final act: "the king of Sheshach shall drink after them". This prophecy was fulfilled by Babylon's military exploits at the time of Jeremiah and Daniel. But did Babylon's sword really reach all the kingdoms of the world? As has already been mentioned, there are many links between this chapter and Revelation. So are we to see a repeat, and complete fulfillment of this pattern of judgements in the near future? Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Rob |
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51:20 In presenting Judah as the one who ‘will break in pieces the nations’ we see Jeremiah using the words of Psa 2:9 which speaks of the work of Jesus at his return to associate redeemed Israel with that work. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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3 Christ the head - a very common theme in the New Testament letters. It must
be a good thing for us to contemplate. Christ the head - that means we must try
to live and govern ourselves and our ecclesias only as he would have done - quite
a responsibility.
Eph.1:22-23 4:15 5:23 Phil.2:10,11 Col.1:18 2:10,19. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.23
In introducing the breaking of bread with 'the same night in which he was betrayed
...' Paul is forcing the Corinthians to reflect on the way in which Judas thought
at the last supper. He had another agenda. He wanted to betray Jesus for the pieces
of silver John
13:30. The Corinthians were behaving in a similar manner because their minds
were on the feast they were having. How do we fare? Are our minds 'somewhere else'? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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The issue of the wearing of coverings is dealt with by the use of Old Testament Scriptures.
So whatever we think about the issue it is clear that it has fundamental principles behind it which are lodged right back in Genesis in the creation of Eve. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :30
In that many were 'weak and sickly' in Corinth because they did not 'discern the
Lord's body' is a powerful warning. The divisive nature of the behaviour of some
in the ecclesia had an unhealthy effect upon the 'body' - the whole family of
God. Maybe this is one reason why God hates the one who sows discord (Proverbs
6:19) Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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Why does Paul
talk about illness and death in v30?
What does he mean in this context? Is he talking about "spiritual" sleep
and death, or physical?
The advice of Paul is in v31. If they would judge themselves, and turn away from their evil practices, then God would not have to judge them himself. This way they would avoid the chastening described in v30. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Rob |
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| 11:1 Paul is not setting himself up as some ideal, Like as in 4:16 Paul is trying to set a standard of personal behaviour. In calling upon the brethren to imitate him as he does Christ he is challenging them to think whether they could make the same appeal to their brethren. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| 11:24: The KJV says".....Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you:.... note the verb "eat" is attached to the noun "body". One must take care so as not to assume -it is the Lord Jesus' body which is broken (see John 19:36: "....a bone of him shall not be broken".) It is necessary in one's prayers to resist the temptation to say: His body broken for us. Further conformation of what is being referred to in 11:24 is to read the same verse in the Hebrew Bible. Here the verb is "cut or divided" and is in the correct place, next to the noun "bread". Beryl Butler [London West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Beryl |
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| V.34 The Corinthians must accept this letter as a reply to the more pressing issues. No immediate need was seen to visit the ecclesia; a visit by Timothy would have to suffice 1Cor 4:18, 1Cor 16:10. As time passed, deteriorating conditions at Corinth required Paul to alter his plans and pay a humiliating visit to the ecclesia 2Cor 1:23-24, 2Cor 2:1, 2Cor 13:2. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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11:9 In saying that the woman was made ‘for the man’ Paul is not advocating that the wife is the servant of the husband. He is laying out the respective status of both in the partnership. As Scripture says Eve was a ‘help’ Gen 2:18 – the first use of ‘help’ in Scripture! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE "Follow my example as I follow the example of Christ." (1Cor 11:1) As we read through the life of Paul through the Acts of the Apostles, we discover a man whose devotion to the Lord stands out from the crowd. In both the story of his life and in his letters, we can be inspired to be like him and motivated to give our all for Christ. Paul's reason to live was to be a servant of Christ. His mission was to show the love of Christ to others and to teach them of his saving grace. Paul did whatever it took to encourage anyone he could to accept the gospel message and to choose life. The life of Paul was a great example to those of us who have followed since. They way he followed Christ pointed others to follow in the same way. What sort of inspiration does our life provide for the people who see us? Can we say, like Paul did, "Follow my example as I follow the example of Christ"? For many people our example may be the only vision of Christ they will ever see. Let's not let them down but become the motivation for them to seek out the Lord Jesus Christ themselves. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Robert |
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11:25-27 Notice the repeated use of ‘cup’ when speaking of the breaking of bread. This is consistent with Jesus’ use in the gospels. He always speaks of the ‘cup’. The cup in Scripture has particular significance. It can be a cup of blessing or a cup of cursing. In the context of breaking bread it all depends on the attitude of the partaker. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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V.3 True worship needs to take into account the hierarchy that has been set in place since creation. Under the New Covenant, the sequence in Christ's household is: God ----> Jesus ----> Man ----> Woman. Vs.4,5 To reflect this hierarchy, men should worship with uncovered heads, while women should cover their heads. Believers should not rebel against this ordinance in name of feminism. V.10 Because each true believer is accompanied by a ministering angel (Heb 1:14), all worship is done in the presence of angels. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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11:8 Notice how the ordering of the creation of Adam and then the formation of Eve is actually used to make a principle – such is the importance of the details in Scripture. We should take heed in our own Bible study to be careful to note what the text says and use the detail to grow our understanding of it. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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11:2,17,22 The repeated use of ‘praise’ and ‘praise you not’ provides a very simpler way of marking the distinction between what was and what was not acceptable in the way that the Corinthians were doing and it was a most appropriate way to write given the factious nature of Corinth ad the way that leaders had set themselves up who clearly loved the ‘praise of me’. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.13 The word for uncovered is akatakaluptos which is the exact opposite of katakalupto, which means completely covered (v.6). V.15 Some contend that this verse suggests long hair is a sufficient covering for a woman. However, Paul is just contrasting the acceptable state of hair for a man and woman in vs.14 and 15. The word covering comes from the Gr. peribolaion which describes something loosely thrown around, like a cloak. Thus, long hair is becoming for a woman. However, the word used for covered in v.6, comes from the Gr. katakalupto which means fully covered. Paul is saying that a woman’s head should not only be covered, but completely covered, hair and all. This should give pause to those women who think it acceptable to throw on a hankie-sized piece of headgear. V.16 We have no such custom (KJV) is Paul's plain retort to the contentious individual who espouses the idea that it is all right for men to have long hair; for women to pray or prophesy (engage in acts of worship) with their heads uncovered; or for men's heads to be covered while worshipping. V.24 Broken (KJV) refers to the bread and not to Jesus’ body, which was not broken. This is because no bone of the Pascal Lamb, which represented Jesus, should be broken (Exo 12:46; John 19:36). Some manuscripts do not have the word broken, and most modern versions render Jesus’ statement as: "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." (ESV). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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11:18 ‘in the church’ seems to be a specialised phrase and does not just mean when the believers met together. Rather it specifically speak so the time when they met to remember the lord’s death in the taking of the bread and the wine Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| This passage about head coverings is hard to understand and quite ambiguous. That's why it's hard to gain consensus. Paul says that in cases where the issue becomes contentious, he suggests we adopt "no such practice" (v16). It is clear from the context that he means the practice of a woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered. Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Rob |
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