August 3

AUDIO
Thanks to the kind hard work of a site user, we are able to offer you a new 'one click' system
The link below will open in a new window, and provide the text and the audio.
This is in 'beta' form and we would welcome constructive comments
To make the audio play, click the arrow button to the top left of the text. The bar will show you the progress.
This requires the Flash player to be present on your computer

Today's readings from the WEB version

Make a Contribution

Choose Bible Version for this page - Currently KJV
King James Version  New International Version  English Standard Version  Revised Standard Version  New American Standard Bible  Youngs Literal Translation

All comments made on this site are the thoughts of the authors who are all Christadelphians but could sometimes make points which may not be agreed by all. Please reply to authors directly using the link at the end of the comment.

Further notes can be found here

Order by Author

Reading 1 - 2Samuel  20 and 21
Contribute a Comment for this Reading 
 
Audio (KJV)
Audio (NIV)
  Read Online (KJV)
Listen to 2Samuel 20 online in the King James Version Listen to 2Samuel 21 online in the King James Version
Listen to 2Samuel 20 online in the New International Version Listen to 2Samuel 21 online in the New International Version

 

20 v.22 - This incident seems to be picked up in Ecclesiastes [7:9, 9:14-18]. The comments refer to a wise man rather than a wise woman, but otherwise fit very well. Verse 18 of Ecc.9 also seems to refer to Sheba the son of Bichri. The whole incident is used by Solomon to prove a point and to make us think about our own conduct and godliness.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

20 v.1 - The uprising of Bichri and then Adonijah [1 Kings 1:5] following hard on the upraising of Absalom provide an indication that David was now an old man who was viewed as one who could easily be overthrown. So why had he not anointed Solomon? Maybe he was hoping that Solomon was to be the son promised in 1 Chronicles 17 who would reign when David was dead. [2 Samuel 7:12] So if Solomon was not crowned until after David's death then, David maybe reasoned, the promise would be fulfilled in Solomon.

21 v.15 - David is about 70 years old at this point in the record. he has been very ill [Psalm 41:3] during the time of Absalom's uprising. So it hardly surprising that David 'waxed faint'.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
21 v.1 - It is clear that the judgement of the appropriateness of the killing of people in different situations lies with God, as indeed does all judgement. Despite the many people that David himself had killed, this punishment was for the work of Saul with the Gibeonites, which killing was not right. Although the law said 'Thou shalt not kill', it clearly was right to do so when the circumstances were such that God demanded it, but not otherwise.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter

20:1 This uprising from the tribe of Benjamin shows that till there is animosity between the house of David and the house of Saul. As we are near to the end of David's reign we must realise that this tension must have been a problem all through the reign of David.

21:12-13 So the bones remained in Jabesh Gilead for some 40 years! And David remembered where they were all that time. So why had they not been brought to the land of Benjamin earlier?


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter

20:26 'chief ruler' is actually the word <03548> Cohen elsewhere translated 'priest' - see also 2 Samuel 8:18.

21:7 The fact that even though David has promised to honour the Gibeonite's request he still spared Mephibosheth indicates that promises like this one that David made are such that the one making the oath can be selective in how he keeps the vow. So as long as David was able to deliver seven of the house of Saul it would not matter who he spared. So David was able to keep his word to the Gibeonites without breaking his conscience regarding Jonathan.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

20:9 In killing Amasa Joab went right to the seat of the problem for Amasa's delay (20:4-5) was doubtless part of the strategy to unseat David.

21:18, :20-21 Giants had always been a problem to Israel. Saul was frightened of Goliath. However David's victory over Goliath seemed to remove the spell that these giants had over Israel. If we could realise that the giants in our lives can be overcome, with God's strength. Maybe we could remember, having achieved success once, that the same is possible again.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.1 Sheba must have been a person of considerable power and influence. He belonged to the tribe of Benjamin, where the adherents of Saul's dynasty were still numerous; and perceiving the strong disgust of the other tribes with the part assumed by Judah in the restoration, his ill designing heart resolved to turn it to the overthrow of David's authotity in Israel. 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John
(2Sam 20:1)  Sheba, a wicked man, arose against David and succeeded in turning away the 10 northern tribes from him.  His uprising didn't last, and Sheba was killed by the wisdom of an un-named woman..  David surely realised by now that being king over Israel was no easy matter.
David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David

 

20:1,2 The rebellion of Sheba against David, the true king of Israel, mirrors the false Christs who would arise (Matt 24:24; Acts 5:36,37).

21:16-21 The four giants who were slain were Goliath's brothers.  This would account for David's selection of five stones in his encounter with Goliath (1Sam 17:40).  David had absolute trust in Yahweh and needed only one stone to defeat Goliath.  However, he prepared himself to take on Goliath's four other brothers if needed.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael

20:2  Sheba ‘happened’ to be there – 2Sam 20:1 – and upon blowing the trumpet men followed him. He has not even been mentioned before in the record! This indicates how fickle human nature is and highlights the need for a good king who can lead the people. They were like sheep – easily led astray.

21:1  The fact that God regarded the Gibeonites indicates that He, even thugh Saul was not, felt obliged to honour the oath of Josh 9:15-17


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

21:8 One wonders what David though when he learnt that the son of Barzillai had been killed. Barzillai had been one of those – 2Sam 17:27 – that had helped David when he fled from Absalom.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
REPAIRING THE PAST
 
When David inquired of God as to why Israel was experiencing it's third year of famine, the LORD said, "It is on account of Saul and his blood stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death." (2Sam 21:1)
 
According to one Bible commentator, David was 58 years old at this time. If he was 30 years old when he became king after the death of Saul, then this whole episode took place 28 years after Saul's death. We can add to the 28 years the number of years between Saul murdering the Gibeonites and his death. In other words, it was a long time ago.
 
Had the past been forgotten? No. Could old sins lie dead and buried? No. The famine that God called on the land highlighted the fact that Saul's actions needed to be put right even after 30 years or more.
 
Do we have past sins that need to be put right? They may have happened long, long ago, but if they are still causing grief to others, we need to take steps to put them right. Once the Gibeonites had been appeased, the famine was relieved. Just because things happened long ago, let's not hide them under the carpet and hope they will go away. Instead let's deal with them like David did so we can get on with life unhindered by the past.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Robert

20:23  It would appear that David did not know whether his concubines had been violated in this uprising – so he takes the precaution of separating them from him lest a child be born whose parentage was not certain. 


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

20:3 David's concubines had been violated by Absalom.  It had not been their fault.  Nevertheless, David could not have any further sexual relationships with them as they were now defiled.  Nor could he let them be married to other men.  And so, they became widows, secluded and cared for comfortably for the rest of their lives.

20:10 Joab's vengeful killing of Amasa, with the compliance of his brother Abishai, highlights the arrogant, ambitious attitude of the sons of Zeruiah.  David had dismissed Joab as army commander.  He had replaced him with Amasa (19:13).  But Joab was having none of that.

21:15-17 The condition of David, as described here, suggests that these events were near the end of his reign.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

20:12-13 The way in which the people, on seeing Amasa dead on the ground just stood and looked indicated their horror at the behaviour of Joab.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

20:1,2 Saul’s followers were alive and well: first Shimei, and now Sheba.  Sheba can mean either oath or seven.  He, obviously, commanded a following, as the men of Israel obeyed him.

20:8-10 It is probable that Joab, accidently-on-purpose, dropped his sword.  Then, when he picked it up, Amasa would have no idea that the sword in Joab’s hand was meant for him.  Joab betrayed Amasa to death with a kiss.  Judah did the same to Jesus (Matt 26:48).

20:16-19 This wise woman must have known the Law.  The prescription for attacking a city is given in Deut 20:10-12.

20:21,22 And so, a trade was made – the head of Sheba for the peace of the city.

20:23 The Cherethites and the Pelethites were two Philistine tribes which were very loyal to David.  They became David’s bodyguards.

21:1 Joshua should have obeyed Yahweh and wiped out the Gibeonites.  But, the Gibeonites duped Joshua, and he swore to keep them alive (Josh 9:18-23).  Yahweh honoured the oath that was sworn by His Name.  Later, Saul, in his misguided zeal, slew most of them.  For that act, there came this three-year famine.  Yahweh always needs to have a wrong compensated.

21:6-9 David gave the Gibeonites seven of Saul’s men as compensation. The KJV says: the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul.  Michal should read Merab (1Sam 18:9).

21:14 Zelah was one of the fourteen Benjamite towns, and the seat of the Kish clan (Josh 18:28). Yahweh was satisfied with the compensation to the Gibeonites, and He lifted the drought.

21:22 Were these four giants all the brothers of Goliath? Remember that David selected five stones when he faced Goliath (1Sam 17:40).  He was prepared to face all five giants. 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

20:10 Joab continues to show his scheming and evil character in the way he slew an innocent man by deceit.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
2Sam 20:1-2 - Sheba, another false king (false Christ? symbol of sin?) who has the men of Israel deserting king David not unlike Absalom who, like Judas, betrayed with a kiss (2Sam 15:5-6,10); the mention of "Bichri" [(1075) means "youthful"] a possible inference that Sheba might have been youthful in appearance in comparison to the aging David.   2Sam 20:3;18:15;19:43;20:1-2 - direct mentions and inferences of "ten" (a number thought to be representative of judgment, completeness, the perfection of divine order) and though David was a type of Christ, he didn't have ten virgins (Matt 25:1) waiting to receive 'the bridegroom' as his concubines had been defiled by sin and as concubines were in bondage (perhaps figuratively in bondage to sin and in a similar state to the 10 tribes of Israel who had broken off from serving the true king) living as widows not brides. 2Sam 20:4,8,10-12 - unlike Christ, "Amasa" [(6021) means "burden"] didn't "assemble" [Heb. "za'aq" (2199) means "to assemble, call, cry (out), gather"] all men to himself in three days (John 12:32), nor did he make their burdens light (Matt 11:28-30) and he was in the way vs Christ who is the way (John 14:6); they are similar in that they were picked to gather men, were at a large stone in death and were killed unjustly. 2Sam 20:14 - "Berites" [(1276) means "my well, of the well" though coupled with 'Sheba' perhaps suggests those seeking spiritual refreshment but who are deceived]. 2Sam 20:15 - "Abel of Bethmaachah" [(62) means "meadow of the house of 'depression, pressure'"] and is a word related to "Maacha" [(4601) means "depression, pressure, she has pressed" and both (62,4601) are from "maach" (4600) meaning "depression, pressure, pressed, struck, bruised, to pierce, squeezed, crushed"] which was the name of Absalom's mother (2Sam 3:3); both Absalom and Sheba lifted up their hand against the king and were bruised in the head (2Sam 18:9;20:22) so perhaps this suggests they were representative of the serpent's seed (Gen 3:15). As Sheba means "seven"  might he echo the false Christ/man of sin who opposes Christ at his millenial (day of rest) second coming?
Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Charles

2Sam 21:1-6 - atoning for Saul's killing of the Gibeonites involved turning over seven of Saul's offspring to the Gibeonites so they might be killed and have their bodies desecrated (1Sam 17:44;Deut 21:22-23). 2Sam 21:8-10 - Rizpah, in mourning, protected the hung bodies from being consumed and thus did her best to honor them until it rained which suggests God's wrath had been appeased. 2Sam 21:11-14 - David then gathered the bones of the seven with those of Saul and Jonathan and had them respectfully interned.

2Sam 21:20 - "six" is the number of man (Rev 13:18) with his limitations and defects of human nature; man was created on the 6th day and Christ was crucified on the 6th day. 


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Charles
Reading 2 - Jeremiah 24
Contribute a Comment for this Reading 
 
Audio (KJV)
Audio (NIV)
  Read Online (KJV)
Listen to Jeremiah 24 online in the King James Version
Listen to Jeremiah 24 online in the New International Version

 

v.5 - Clearly Israel here is the fig tree, but the figs are the fruit. 'By their fruits you shall know them' [Matt.7:16-20]. There is still a chance for those even in Israel, which has been quite clearly cast off, to bring forth fruit unto righteousness. Another indication that the promises under the old covenant still stand. Jude v.10-19.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.6 - bring ... plant echoes the song of Miriam and Moses [Exodus 15:17] when speaking of the destruction of the Egyptians. 'I will bring them' is a recurring message of Jeremiah, who spoke just before the exile and Ezekiel, who spoke to the captives. [Jeremiah 16:15 24:6 31:8 32:37 Ezekiel 20:38 34:13] Zechariah picks up the refrain, speaking to the returned exiles [Zechariah 8:8 10:6,10] in order to encourage them.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.6 - plant = to fasten, or fix, or establish. It has an idea of permanence about it, like a tree planted by the water, as it were. It refers especially to God's placing of the people in the promised land, and consequently to his choosing of us for His kingdom. Psa.44:2, Isa.5:2
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
24:5-6 These words - suggesting that to yield to the Babylonians - would be construed as treason by the Jews. Yet is was the Word of God.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM
It was one of the moments Jeremiah had been predicting and all Judah had been dreading and trying to wish away. Nebuchadnezzar had the upper had over Judah and carried away all the best of the people of the land in exile to Babylon. At that time it must have seemed like those taken captive had drawn the short straw. They had been taken away from their land, from their temple, their families, friends, houses and everything they knew to go into slavery in a land they did not know, speaking a language they did not understand. But in actual fact they had been given the better deal. God was to watch over them for good in Babylon, renew their lives and eventually bring them back to their land. Those that were left were to be persecuted and destroyed - although initially they must have thought they were better off.
Recently I too went through a very difficult time in my life. At the time I prayed that God would take the trials from me but he worked me through them. While I wondered why God put me through it all, I can now see that things were working for the best even in the bad times. From those bad times came these little comments. Things aren't always what they seem.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert
:10 The promise of this verse quotes Leviticus 26:25. The 'sword, famine, pestilence' also echoes Jeremiah 14:12 and is re stated again (Jeremiah 27:8)
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
24:1 In speaking of baskets of figs Jeremiah is echoing the language of Amos (8:1) when Amos spoke of the northern kingdom going into captivity.

Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.1-8 In Bible symbolism the fig tree is closely associated with the nation of Israel. The good figs of this parable are symbolic with the wholesome part of the Jewish nation going into captivity, while the others, we would suggest, stand for the demoralized section of the nation still in the land. 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

V.2 The good figs and bad figs had their embodiment in the kings Jeconiah and Zedekiah respectively.  Jeconiah, also known as Coniah (Jer 22:24), later became known as Jehoiachin (2Kin 24:6). 

After reigning three months, Jeconiah was taken captive to Babylon (2Kin 24:15).  He and the people with him did not resist the will of Nebuchadnezzar and were ultimately rewarded (2Kin 25:27-30). 

On the other hand, Zedekiah who was appointed king in place of Jeconiah (2Kin 24:17), rebelled (2Kin 24:20) and suffered the consequences (2Kin 25:7).  Yahweh had counselled: submit and live, or rebel and die.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael
TERRIBLE TIMES
 
One of the most terrible things that has ever happened to Israel was the captivity by Nebuchadnezzar into Babylon.  It was at that time that the book of weeping, Lamentations, was written, and the nation reached it's lowest ebb.  We could say that this disaster happened because of the wickedness of the people, and we would be right.  But it is interesting to note that the worst people did not go into captivity, it was only the good ones who were sent away and punished like this. 
 
God said, "I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom i sent away from this place to the land of the Babylonians.  My eyes will watch over them for their good." (Jer 24:5-6)  But about the wicked, God said, "I will make them abhorrant and an offence to all the kingdoms of the earth, a reproach and a byword, an object of ridicule and cursing wherever I banish them.  I will send the sword, famine and plague against them until they are destroyed from the land I gave to them and their fathers." (v.9-10)
 
So why were the good people sent into captivity?  It was because in their trouble they would turn back to God.  "I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD.  They will be my people and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart," says the LORD. (v.7)  It is the same with us.  It is our most testing times, when things seem really bad that we learn to turn back to God with all our hearts.  When it happens let's be sure that we do not miss the lesson.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Robert

May I today give a short note on the chronology?  Jeremiah started to prophecy during Josiah’s reign. He spoke through the last 18 of Josiah.
                           Josiah
   ______________|________________    
   |                                                            |
  Jehoahaz (23yrs old)                     Jehoiakim (25)
    reigned 3 mths, taken to Egypt          reigned 11yrs, taken to Babylon (with Daniel)
       ______|__________
       |                                |
  Jehoiachin (8 or 18)       Zedekiah (21)
  reigned 3mths 10days       reigned 11yrs 
    taken to Babylon              taken to Babylon

This makes Jeremiah prophesying for 40 ½ years, and then being taken to Egypt.


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

24:9  Jeremiah quotes Deut 28:25  to show that the curses Israel said they would accept if they were faithless were being fulfilled on the people.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

Here, again, we have a stark contrast between the two kings Jeconiah and Zedekiah. Both of them were evil kings as recorded in 2Kin 24:9 and 19. Yet one of them is described as good and the other as evil in the symbol of the figs. The only difference between them, as we know, is that one made the correct choice to give up to Nebuchadnezzar, whilst the other tried to save himself. As a result of this choice God would bless the people who had gone with Jeconiah, and curse those who stayed with Zedekiah.

There are many things to learn from this. Firstly, we are all evil, and just as worthy of death as the next man. 2) It is only those who obey God's decree that will be blessed. Doing things our own way will lead nowhere and is an insult to Him.  3) It is the obedience that matters, not the extent of our good works. 4) We must give up on our pretence that we are holy or good. 5) We must repent and show this by turning our backs on the previous way of life.

All these things are demonstrated perfectly by contrasting the two kings and those that followed them. For this reason they are worthy of our further study. Looking in to the history of he Jewish nation often seems dull and boring to us. It can even seem completely pointless. However, when we see how much time God has spent preparing the nation of Israel so that their exploits, and His reaction, can be recorded for our learning, can we dare to hold that opinion any longer? Our example is Jesus, whose teaching was taken from scripture just like this (e.g. Luke 14:31-33, 17:33).


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Rob

24:5 That being sent to Babylon was ‘for their good’ is part of an ongoing teaching in Scripture about the benefit f chastening. It starts with Adam – ‘Cursed is the ground for thy sake ‘ (Gen 3:17 and finished with us Heb 12:7 ‘If ye endure chastening God dealeth with you as with sons’


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

The Lord's condemning of the barren tree (Mark 11:14) was a type of God's rejection of natural Israel, for the most part, from this time forward the fruit would be taken from the Gentiles. The bad class of fruit in Jeremiah's time, were punished by Divine retribution, and the Romans completed the desolation in A.D.70, when the Jewish "fig tree" became "withered". Today we see signs of the revival of the fig tree; and the judgements of our Heavenly Father are about to be poured out on the Gentiles, who like the Children of Israel during the time of Jeremiah have almost become barren.

The young trees bear no fruit if they are not cultivated, and soon degenerate if left to themselves; once again a fitting type in relation to the effectiveness of the Word of God; both for the young and the older members within an ecclesia.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John

24:5 In saying that they would go to Babylon ‘for their good’ Jeremiah is echoing the words on an earlier prophet – Mic 4:10


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

24:8 The Chaldeans have already taken captives to Babylon but the city has not yet been overthrown. Jeremiah tells Zedekiah that the remainder in the city will be taken captive. One might have thought that the king, having seen what had already happened with his subjects being taken to Babylon, would have heeded the words of the prophet.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

GRACE

 

There were two different groups of people in Jerusalem, both represented in Jeremiah's vision by baskets of figs. One group was good and the other was very bad. What was the difference between the two groups of people? What made one good and the other bad? We are not specifically told what sort of behavior they showed, but rather are told how God would treat them.

 

The bad people, God had decided, would be persecuted and destroyed, so we can leave them there. The good people, on the other hand, were given various promises. "My eyes will watch over them for their good, and I will bring them back to this land. I will build them up and not tear them down; I will plant them and not uproot them. I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the LORD. They will be my people and I will be their God, for they will return to me with all their heart." (Jer 24:6-7)

 

It was not so much what these people had done, but because of what they would do. These were the people who would respond to God and would grow their relationship with him. God's grace outshines all our failings - and even when we do things right, it is still only by God's grace that we are saved. The promises to us are no less. God does it all. We only need to turn to him with all our heart.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Robert

 

V.8 Some people of Judah escaped and fled to Egypt.  They were not safe, as Yahweh deemed safe only those who willingly went to Babylon.

V.9 The behavior of Zedekiah, and the people with him, became grist for the mill of social comment (Jer 29:22,23).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

24:9 In saying Israel would be a ‘proverb’ we have yet another quotation from the curses – Deut 28:37.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - Romans  12
Contribute a Comment for this Reading 
   
Audio (KJV)
Audio (NIV)
  Read Online (KJV)
View all Comments for this Reading
Listen to Romans 12 online in the King James Version
Listen to Romans 12 online in the New International Version

 

v.9 - There is a clear attitude required here. We are not to tolerate evil. This brings about a cleaving to that which is good. The warning 'without dissimulation' warns us against the ones that convince us they are good when really they are evil. Psa.55:21, Prov.26:25, Eze.33:31, and of course Matt.26:49.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.13 - Whilst being hospitable is seen to be a requirement for those holding ecclesial office:- 1 Timothy 3:2 Titus 1:8, such an attitude was not to be confined to those in such positions. Rather it was to be a way of life amongst all believers. 1 Peter 4:9. However we all fall short of the ideal at some time. The exhortation about ecclesial officers indicates that they should be good examples in this area.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
12:1 If we wonder how we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice Daniel 3:28 provides us with an example of men doing just that. Nebuchadnezzar recognised that those three men, in not bowing down to his image, had not yielded their bodies to him. Thus a living sacrifice is a life which is not compromised by the things of the world.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
ZEAL

"Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord." (Romans 12 v 11)

Isn't it just amazing to watch those people who seem to be eternally enthusiastic? Nothing seems to get them down, they rise to the top of every mountain with a smile and a positive frame of mind, and then are ready for the next challenge life will bring. They are the type of people everyone feels good being around. This is what we should be like in our daily walk with the Lord.

"Never be lacking in zeal." In other words, always be enthusiastic. And what a hope we have to be enthusiastic about! We have an Awesome God, a Mighty Savior, the hope of immortality in perfection, and the chance to be at one with our Creator. How can we ever lose our zeal when we think of all the blessings God pours out on us, and the promises he has given us? There may be moments in our life when the trials, problems or pressures of this life take over, but when we put those temporary things in perspective with Gods eternal things, we can't help but to filled with zeal for the Lord.

"Keep your spiritual fervor." Never let it go. Work hard. Let's be keen and give the Lord all our heart, mind, soul and strength as we serve him every day and every moment of our lives.

"Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord"

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert
:1 So we return to the theme of being 'conformed' which we first noticed in 8:29. This activity is first an intellectual one - doctrine is understood - which then must have a practical outworking in the life of the believer.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
What a glorious freedom has just been presented to us in the last chapter! The hope of the gospel having been brought to the Gentiles, who previously had little or no access to it! Can you imagine the feeling of a prisoner, having been chained to the dank, cold, foul wall of his dungeon cell for most of his life, being set loose from his chains and immerging into the warmth and sunshine for the first time? This is the feeling we should have at baptism! No more bondage to sin, no more accountability for transgressing the law. No more feeling of guilt, or unworthiness. No more being afraid of a merciless judge who picks up on every fault, and punishes it. No more being reminded of our faults over and over again.

Do we think like that? Or do we carry on persecuting ourselves with guilt, even though we are a new creation? Do we feel free, or do we become prisoners of our own guilt again?

The prisoner upon emerging from his captivity, has a choice to make. Do I run headlong into my new life, relishing and wallowing in my new found freedom, sucking every ounce of marrow out of each and every day; or do I shrink from the sun, remembering every day the misery, the pain, and the cold of that prison cell? Do I put down roots and grow, reaching up to the sun and making the best of every day, or do I hide in the shadows and stunt my growth by fear of going back to that cell?

Paul has the answer to this in verse 1. "therefore, …. present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Having been made entirely free, there is only one way of capitalising on this freedom, and that is to try and return the great favour God has done for us, to Him. Before us lies a clean slate, a mind and a life given to us to fill with whatever we wish. It is our choice whether we fill that new mind with wonderful new things, or with the miserable old things. The new things are described by Paul in vs 4-18. The choice is to develop the new mind of Christ, or to go back to the pitiful old mind of the flesh. (12v2; Eph 4v22-24).


Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Rob
12:21 overcoming evil with good runs counter to our inclinations. However it embodies the spirit of the law of Moses with respect to how one should deal with one’s ‘enemies’ for example Exo 23:4.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.1 We can not be reminded too often of just what Paul is saying: A complete commitment is the only logical or reasonable thing that is acceptable to God.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

V.3 The definition of faith is clearly given: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Heb 11:1), or as the NIV puts it: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see

The more we read the scriptures, the more certain we are (Rom 10:17).  However, it is Yahweh who gives the increase to our efforts, which differs from individual to individual according to His will. The apostles understood that Yahweh could give this increase (Luke 17:5). 

V.6 There has to be a balance between any talent with which Yahweh has graced us, and the amount of faith we possess.  Consideration of this should allow us a more realistic understanding of our position in Christ.  It should also keep us humble by preventing us from thinking of ourselves more highly than we ought. 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Michael

V.2 The renewing of the mind is an inward spiritual transformation as makes the whole life new; New in its motives and ends, even where the actions differ in nothing from those of the world. New, considered as a whole, and in such a sense as to be wholly unattainable except through the constraining power of the love of Christ.


John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

The Pharisees loved to be seen and be greeted in the market places (Mark 12:38), after all, they were the separate chosen ones.  Rom 12:3,16 cautions us against conceit. 12:10 notes we are to honor one another over ourselves. The key is love, and beginning at v.9 the chapter refers to the various behaviors and attitudes manifested by a transforming love.


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Charles

12:8  ‘simplicity’ does not mean in simple words. The Greek carries the sense of ‘singleness’ – that is honestly.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
WORSHIP
 
When we talk about worship, the picture that is conjured up in our minds is often one of singing, praise and prayer. But worship is so much more than that. Worship is what we do because we love God. Worship does not just happen at certain times - it is a way of life. It is a response to the grace of God we have received.
 
Paul says, 'Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship." (Rom 12:1) He follows on from here explaining that worship is about transforming our lives from worldly things to becoming like God and doing his will; thinking less of ourselves while thinking more of him and each other. As we give our lives in worship, Paul goes on to explain that we have all been given individual gifts and talents to use to God's glory in serving each other, and especially in loving one another. Worship is doing the things that God wants us to do because we love him and are thankful for his grace and love.
 
So let's give our bodies, our hearts, and our lives to God, not just for a short time each week as we pray or praise, but continually as we worship him in our actions all day every day.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Robert

12:12 Being ‘instant in prayer’ speaks of an attitude of mind which sees prayer to God as the first, not the last, avenue in our thought processes.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

12:9  ‘Abhor … cleave … good’ quotes Amos 5:15 where it is associated with just judgement. It is not possible to judge rightly with a double mind.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

 

Romans 12 This chapter shows how a follower of Jesus should think and act.  Its advice is opposite to the world's wisdom.  We should be careful not allow the world into our spiritual lives.  It is easy to be expedient and to rationalize that things are o.k.  Therefore, we need to read the scriptures every day to remind ourselves what is right and what is wrong.  Even the kings of Israel were commanded to do just that (Deut 17:18,19).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Michael

12:6 ‘Having gifts differing …’ might be seen by us as the reason why we find difficulty getting on with brethren and sisters but Paul says that is a reason why we should be united. Not a reason why we should be divided.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

V.2 The only way in which the (spiritual) mind can be renewed is by the daily reading of the Word, and by praying. Only after that, can one prove (test, discern) what is good. But, added to scriptural knowledge and understanding must be works.

Paul continues this chapter by giving a list of works that brethren of Christ ought to do. Knowledge, understanding, and faith, gained from reading the Word, are useless unless works are performed, as James points out (James 2:20).

Furthermore, the correct attitude about performing works is essential. If one performs an honorable work with a negative attitude, rather than one of love, it does not count. Paul points this out to the Corinthians (1Cor 3:13).

V.12 This advice should keep us focused and grounded in Jesus. However, if we do not have a firm and continuous hope in the Kingdom, it means that we are too sidetracked by the world. If that is the case, then we will not be in the Kingdom (Matt 6:21).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

12:10 ‘In honour preferring one another’ is not the way in which the flesh thinks. Indeed in the modern business world we are taught to elevate ourselves. So Paul’s injunction runs completely counter to the world’s way of thinking.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

WHEN WE RECOGNISE GRACE

 

Recognising the grace of God in our lives makes an incredible difference to our relationships with other people. Speaking from his own personal experience of God's grace, Paul said, "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgement, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you." (Rom 12:3) And a little later he says, "Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited." (v.16)

 

The grace of God takes us from a position of absolute hopelessness and debt, and as a gift to us from God, brings us to life, hope and freedom. We can not buy our freedom, earn it or do anything at all to gain it. It is a gift from God given to us soley because he loves us when all we deserved was punishment for our sins.

 

When we recognise this grace in our lives we will be humbled in our own eyes because we are not the great people we think we are.  And as humble children of God we will not be proud but will pass on the grace God has given us and honour our brothers and sisters in Christ.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Robert