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| v.4-6
- Here is a direct example of how God works the circumstances for those that love
him. It is a direct example of the truth of the words in Prov.16:7,
which should offer a lot of comfort and encouragement to all of us. Rom.8:31 Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.1
The seven year famine in the days of Elisha is exactly twice the length of the
drought in the days of Elijah James
5:17. A review of the Scriptural record will show that Elisha's ministry lasted
twice the length of Elijah's and he performed twice as many miracles as Elijah.
Is this a fulfilment of the request of Elisha 2
Kings 2:9 where he asked for a double portion of Elijah's spirit? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.12-15
- The fulfillment of this prophecy is started immediately in a demonstration of
the sort of man Hazael was - he went straight home and killed the king, so that
his reign of terror could start immediately. This is a terrible thing, but let
us be sure not to stand on a pedestal and consider ourselves above such behaviour.
How many of us can truthfully say that at no point in our lives have we denied
someone something in order to get what we want ourselves? However detached from
our experience these stories are, there is always the potential for a humbling
lesson. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :16
That Jehoshaphat began to reign in Jerusalem in the fifth year of Joram provides
a reference point for Harmonising the dates for the kings in Israel and Judah. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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| :12-15
So Hazael believed the words of the prophet - unlike the king of Israel. But he
then took things into his own hands. As if the words of the prophet had given
him Licence to murder his lord. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| 8:4 Gehazi was Elisha's servant (2Kin 5:20) but he is now in conversation with the king of Israel. It seems from what the king asked that Elisha was not easily found during the seven years famine and the king, suffering the privations of famine in some way is seeking to understand Elisha's ministry and work. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.9 It would seem reasonable to conclude that Elisha would be unlikely to accept the gift. The services of the man of God were not for sale, though they might be freely given. Compare with Abram and the King of Sodom.Gen 14:21-24 John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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Hazael was the man whom God told Elijah to anoint as king over Syria. For some reason this was not done by Elijah, or at least it is not recorded as being done. This chapter therefore shows God's purpose being worked out.
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| As Elisha derived no pleasure from the necessary work of Hazael, so we can find little satisfaction in these evil days, except to know that the will of the Lord is being done towards a more glorious outcome. We pray that we may join Elisha when the Lord Jesus shall take his great power and reign over all nations. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to John |
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V.13 Elijah was charged with anointing three people: Hazael and Jehu to kingly positions; and Elisha to succeed him (1Kin 19:15-17). Elisha was delegated the responsibility for anointing Hazael and Jehu to kingship. However, there is a difference in their anointing. Jehu was anointed with oil in the traditional manner of the kings of Israel. Elisha delegated this responsibility to one of the prophets (2Kin 9:1-3). Whether the person originally named actually performed the task or a delegate makes no difference. Hazael was not anointed with oil but was verbally appointed king by Elisha himself. Oil was not used to anoint (appoint) those outside of Israel. Those chosen to fulfil the will and purpose of Yahweh were called His anointed - for example, Cyrus (Isa 45:1). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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8:1 So it appears that the woman is by now a widow as there it no mention of her husband. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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| Hazael failed to see the importance of this message until the prophet told him of his destiny, that he was to be king of Syria. He needed no further hint, for on returning to his master he lost no time in bringing about the death of his master. So we see the second part of Elijah's prophesy fulfilled, at this point there still remains the third. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2006 reply to John |
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8:16 The record is careful to point out that Jehoshaphat was on the throne in Judah when Jehoram became king. Look for associations between Joram and Jehoram as you continue the readings. The record is flagging up the close relationship between the two men reigning in the two kingdoms – Israel and Judah. You might consider why the sons of Ahab and Jehoshaphat had such similar names. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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| 8:3 In consequence of her long absence (7 years) from the country, the woman has had her possessions confiscated by the authorities, hence we see the necessity of her going to the king to attempt to regain both her home and land. There was no statute in the law that would have allowed the taking of ones possessions because of an absence of a lengthy absence. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to John |
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Vs.1-3 Elijah had received considerable power from Yahweh. Elisha requested that he receive twice as much as Elijah (2Kin 2:9). He did receive a double portion because the scriptures show that he did twice as many miracles as Elijah. Moreover, the intensity of the miracles was twice as much. A case in point is the seven-year famine. This time period is exactly twice as long as the drought (and resulting famine) in Elijah's time (1Kin 17:1;18:1 cf. James 5:17). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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8:11 The steadfast countenance indicates a man who, knowing the end of the prophecy sorrows at the consequences. Jesus behaved similarly – Luke 9:51 – though there is no indication in Luke 9 of Jesus’ feeling they are seen later – Luke 19:41 - when he entered Jerusalem. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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8:7-9 So even the gentiles believed that the God of Israel was able to save! Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.4 If Gehazi were leprous, then Jehoram would have to confer with him from a distance. This could be done at a safe distance where nothing or nobody would become contaminated. The conversation might have taken place in an open space, like a garden, rather than in a building. Vs.11,12 Elisha was brought to tears at the fore-knowledge of Hazael’s evil, murderous deeds. Elisha could see, in advance, Hazael’s forthcoming behaviour. Ironically, Hazael means whom God sees. V.13 a dog was considered an unclean animal, both in the Law, and among all the Semitic peoples of the Ancient Near East. The term dog, or any phrase containing dog, was used to degrade and humiliate, such as in 2Sam 16:9; 24:14, for example. Vs.16,17 Jehoshaphat and Jehoram could not have reigned at the same time. We know that Jehoshaphat reigned 25 years (1Kin 22:42), and Jehoram 8 years (2Kin 8:17). But, about three years before his death, Jehoshaphat handed over the throne to Jehoram (2Kin 8:16; 2Chron 21:3). Therefore, Jehoram reigned 5 years after his father’s death. V.26 Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign. The parallel account in Chronicles has Ahaziah at 42 years when he began to reign (2Chron 22:2). This could not be possible, which makes one suspect a copyist’s error. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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8:20,22 The way in which Edom and Libnah revolted might seem quite a natural sort of thing to happen between nations. However we should realise these rebellions are ‘of God’ for Jehoram was an evil king. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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| 2Kin 8:1-6 - the Shunamite woman and her resurrected son previously mentioned (2Kin 4:8-37) coming back to reclaim her house and land V.3 which may echo the temple/kingdom and promised land inheritance; V.1-2 notes "7" years and perhaps echos the millenial day of rest, spiritual perfection (God's seal or covenant number) - other mentions of "7" (2Kin 3:9;2Kin 4:35;2Kin 5:14); V.4-5 Gehazi bearing witness of the woman's resurrected son; V.6 the woman receives back everything that belonged to her. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Charles |
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| v.2-5
- This is a direct condemnation of the generations before, and their decision
not to pass on the oracles of God to their children. They are to blame for the
current curse. Even the mammals of the sea do better than that, God says. What
a damning statement, and yet still they do not hear. Do we? Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.2
likening the sons of Zion to the work of the potter is most apt. They had ceased
to be malleable in the hands of the potter and so now are broken. Jeremiah
18:1-10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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| v.20
- We are reminded here that this life is nothing. If we give this life to God,
we can look forward to eternity by His grace. If we reach the stage, as I feel
we may, that our very lives are threatened by those who detest us for what we
believe, then we should take courage in God and know that our sacrifice would
be for good, and take comfort in the fact that so many have trodden this path
before us, as demonstrated here. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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And yet more quotations from Deuteronomy 28
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| :6-10
Initially we might think that it is strange to say that Jerusalem's punishment
is greater than that which was executed upon Sodom. However Jeremiah goes on to
explain how that is. Whilst Sodom was overthrown and all the inhabitants died
and so their experience ended this was not so with Jerusalem. Jeremiah describes
some of the ways in which the Jews suffered after the city was besieged and then
taken. The inference is that swift death is better than a linger oppression. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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4:7 Here Jeremiah describes the 'Nazarites' in the same way that the bridegroom is described in Song whiter Song 5:10 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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| V.14 "they have polluted themselves" They made no effort to clease their ways. They were ministers of God's sanctuary, which they thoughtlessly polluted (Zeph 3:4), worshipping "other gods"(Jer 19:4-6), and polluting at last all the land by their idolatry (Num 35:33). The only remedy was for God to require their blood, or deaths, as an atonement. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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V.21 Amidst wholesale condemnation of the people of Jerusalem, Jeremiah points a warning finger at Edom. Ever since the days of Esau, Edom had been at odds with the sons of Jacob. At this juncture of history the Edomites were overjoyed at the downfall of Jerusalem (Psa 137:7). In fact, the Edomites helped the Babylonians attack Jerusalem. As Babylon would be punished, so would Edom (Psa 137:8). In the first century, the Nabateans almost totally eliminated Edom. The only remaining part was Idumea from where Herod the Great emerged. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| Vs.3,4 The cruelty of Yahweh's people is likened to the cruelty of ostriches in the wilderness. Job gives insight to the behavior of the ostrich that will help us understand the behavior of Yahweh's people (Job 39:13-18). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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Jeremiah makes an interesting comparison between the punishment of Jerusalem, and that of Sodom (Lam 4:6). Sodom was overthrown very quickly, but Jerusalem’s overthrow was protracted. The reason for this is, I think, that Sodom was not in the Promised Land; its inhabitants were not Jews, and they played little part in God’s plans. Jerusalem however was the apple of God’s eye (Zech 2:8). He gave them many opportunities to repent, and even in their overthrow He promised to bring them back from captivity.
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Lam 4:3 The Ostrich is cited as the pattern of Israel’s behaviour because of the way it deals with it’s eggs. It lays them in the sand and them leaves them to incubate and hatch on their own. Job 39:13-16 Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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4:10 When Jeremiah quotes Deut 28:53 he is not simply saying that the curses of Deuteronomy 28 had been fulfilled. He is describing actual events that had taken place in Jerusalem. As such he is lamenting the terrible things that had happened, even though God had predicted that He would bring those things upon Israel if they were unfaithful. In like manner we should not be gleeful when awful things happen in fulfilment of God’s word. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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V.1 Worldly wealth will not save a person in the day of trouble. Those who fell in Jerusalem testify to that (Eze 7:19). It is a mistake to plan one's future based on riches (Ecc 7:14). Trusting in Yahweh is the only guarantee of delivery (Psa 115:11). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Michael |
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4:19 ‘swifter than eagles’ is another quotation from Deut 28:49reinforcing the message that Jeremiah is giving that Judah are in captivity because they had chosen the curses of Deuteronomy 28 through their sinless behaviour. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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4:12 Seemingly the destruction of Jerusalem was more than one might have expected. Even the nations round about would be surprised. The nations round about should have been rejoicing in the laws of the God of Israel. The current dilemma was a consequence of Israel setting a bad example to those nations. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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V.3 Sea monsters (KJV) is alternatively translated as jackals (ESV). Either is correct. If we take sea monsters, which would include such creatures as whales, then this verse might make better sense. Whales, as well as other sea mammals, suckle their young. But, the Israelite women, by contrast, ate their young. Such unconcern for Israel’s young is likened to the behavior of the ostrich (Job 39:14-16). V.4 Even those mothers, who did not eat (or had not eaten to this point) their infants, had no milk to give. Vs.6,7 Nazarites (separated ones) were once held in high esteem (Num 6:2). But, even they have succumbed to the ravages of slow destruction (Job 30:30). V.10 The word sodden (KJV) means boiled. That’s what the women of Jerusalem did in order to cannibalize their children. V.17 The hoped-for nation, to overcome the Babylonians, was Egypt, but they did not come (Isa 30:7). V.19 The eagles represent the Babylonian army (Jer 4:13). Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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v17 appears to refer to the Egyptian armies they were waiting for. v19 appears to refer to Zedekiah's hopeless flight from Jesusalem. v21, speaking of the Edomites (Israel's kin) refers to their wholehearted agreement with what was happening to Jerusalem (Psa 137:7) And the whole chapter is in precise and clear fulfilment of Deut 28:49-57. Which begs the question: If the sign on the elevator said "Out of order. This elevator is about to plunge into the lift shaft and strike the ground at 120mph. Please use the stairs". Would you get in it? So why had Israel failed to heed their warnings? And if Israel are the prime example given for our learning in the Bible (1Cor 10:11-12), is it possible we could be so foolish too? Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Rob |
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4:17 The ‘vain help’ that the prophet speaks of is the way in which Israel typically sought for support from countries like Syria and Egypt rather than seek to God for help. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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v.11 - The theme of Satan and the work of human nature within us that turns
us against God has been quite strong through these letters, and indeed Paul has
actually used this concept of Satan twice already -
1Cor. 11:3,14. There is so much to be gained from a life in Christ as long
as we give heed to these warnings and rely on God's grace. Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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'not trust in ourselves but in God' quotes Jeremiah
17:5 & 7 The context in Jeremiah relates to having the law in the heart because the human mind is wicked. That is why Paul continues in verse 12 'not with fleshly wisdom' picking up the problem which he discussed at length in 1 Corinthians. 2:2 - 9 It seems that 1 Corinthians did cause the brethren to respond to the fornicator correctly. Thou it seems that excessive zeal was shown. The brother repented but it seems that the ecclesia did not welcome him back as quickly as they should have. Notice that even though the letter was written by the holy spirit it still grieved Paul to write as he says - 'out of much affliction and anguish of heart' showing as aspect of how God used men to speak His word. Paul was clearly not a 'puppet'. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2001 reply to Peter |
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1:8 The 'trouble' which Paul experienced in Asia is described in Acts 19:23 which speaks of the time that Paul was in Ephesus. As an aside this comment here in 2 Corinthians demonstrates that this letter was written after the events described in Acts 19. 2:14-15 We are to be a 'sweet savour of Christ' to God - that is The Father should 'smell' Christ in us. This will only be if we mirror Christ's actions and thoughts in our lives. In the context here in 2 Corinthians this savour was to be found in the way that they dealt with the repentant sinner - the man who 'had his father's wife' - so even in such difficult matters it must be possible to behave in a Christlike way. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2002 reply to Peter |
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1:9 It is so easy to trust in ourselves. However Paul, using the experience of Jeremiah's counsel (17:5,7) has the correct perspective. If we can truly believe what Jeremiah says then we will do well. 2:10 Paul's attitude to the forgiveness that the Corinthians is an example to us. Often we hear of ecclesias which have had to deal with a difficult issue. Maybe we do not like the outcome of their decision. We should be aware that they made their decision based on facts. We cannot know all that they have talked about. We should be willing to accept the judgement of our brethren in these issues. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Peter |
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| It is hard to
decribe any greater suffering than Paul does in 1v8-10
"we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even
of life." I wonder what the situation was that he had to endure. Whatever
it was, amazingly Paul writes of it in a positive light, because it was there
"that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead".
Another man who had to learn this lesson was Abraham when asked to sacrifice his own son. "by faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac.....concluding that God was able to raise him up." (Hebrews 11v17-19). This faith of Abraham, this belief in the resurection, was accounted to him for righteousness. Abraham will be raised from the dead to inherit the kingdom, because of that faith. So also Paul could comment on his own trial "therefore we do not lose heart..for our light affliction... is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory" (2Cor 4v16-18). The word "exceeding" is the same as the words "beyond measure". What a perspective this man had!! Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2003 reply to Rob |
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| 2:12-13 Paul's concern for the ecclesia is further shown to be absolutely genuine. His concern for their response to the admonitory letter was so great that he was unable to preach at Troas despite God-given opportunities. Such conduct was incompatible with the detractors' charges that he preached to get a following and insincerely altered travel plans. John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)] Comment added in 2004 reply to John |
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So we see that Paul is encouraging generous, single minded, prayers. 2:2-7 'Sorrow' is the focus of these verses. Notice how often the word 'sorry' and related words like 'grieved' occur - mar them in your Bible. So we see clearly the effect that the ecclesial decision about the man who had 'his father's wife' (1Cor 5:1) had on the ecclesia. Do we view withholding fellowship as a ay of ridding ourselves of the problem or does it cause us grief? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2004 reply to Peter |
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2 Corinthians 1: Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Trinitarians would have us believe in God the Father, God the Sun and God the Holy Spirit, all persons of the Godhead and coequal. If that's true, why did Paul only mention God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and leave out the third person of the Godhead in this greeting? Why did he slight the third person of the Godhead in the greeting of every one of his epistles? Phil Logan-Kelly [Langlois Ecclesia, Oregon USA] Comment added in 2004 reply to Phil |
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2:7,10 Paul shows us the compassionate approach towards one who has been disfellowshipped. The brother who had been set aside for his misdeeds should be revisited (1Cor 5:1,5). If the brother were truly repentant, he would be received back into the fold. Notice that the onus was on the ecclesia to check on the welfare of the brother. Ecclesias should not disfellowship as a means of excommunication. Too many leave it up to the brother or sister to petition to come back, and many do not. Ecclesias should take a more pro-active approach in the recovery of the outcast and not do a Pilate - pass the bowl of water please! Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Michael |
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| 2Cor 1:3-4 - Here we read another benefit of suffering etc. along with God's comforting us in all our sufferings/tribulations/troubles. When we see others suffering etc. we have an opportunity to better empathize and possibly better comfort others than we otherwise would as we have the benefit of personal experience. Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)] Comment added in 2005 reply to Charles |
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1:22 We learnt in 1 Corinthians that there was a great deal of emphasis put upon spirit gifts. Now Paul refers to that manifestation as an ‘earnest …’ making the point that the things of the kingdom are far greater than anything they had experienced. 2:16 We should not forget that whilst God finds our service to him a ‘sweet savour’ ‘of life unto life’ the world thinks our actions are foolish – gendering to ‘death unto death’. We must not let the world’s way of thinking affect our attitude to service to God. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2006 reply to Peter |
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2:11Satan ‘ the adversary – harks back to the comment that Paul made – 1Cor 5:5– about the brother who had been out of fellowship who is now to be restored. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2007 reply to Peter |
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1:11 In saying that he had been helped by the prayers of the Corinthians should have caused them to realise that in fact Paul was a brother to be respected rather than denigrated as he was by some in Corinth. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2008 reply to Peter |
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1:6 Do we ever think that our difficulties might be for the benefit – ‘consolation’ – of others? Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Peter |
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1:1 We must remind ourselves that Paul was directly commissioned as an apostle by Jesus, according to the will of God (1Cor 1:1). Therefore, what he says are not opinions to be either accepted or rejected, but divinely inspired directives which must be accepted. 1:8,9 We cannot be certain as to what trouble (affliction) Paul is alluding. Some think that it might be referring to the episode at Ephesus regarding the idol Diana (Acts 19:23 etc.). But, it seems that the trouble (affliction) Paul is talking about here is much heavier than the Ephesus episode. 1:17 Paul is talking of vacillation that occurs because of the flesh. 1:18-20 Paul stresses that, although the flesh might want to waver, the doctrines of the Lord, and the promises of God never change. 2:8 Those who have been set aside for reflection and contemplation of their ways, should be loved and not isolated and forgotten. Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)] Comment added in 2009 reply to Michael |
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1:12 The use of ‘simplicity’ and ‘sincerity’ is going to be developed later – 2Cor 9:6-7 – in a specific context but the seeds of the idea are first being sown here. Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Peter |
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STRENGTH FROM GOD They continued: "But this happened that we might not rely on ourselves, but on God, who raises the dead. He has delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us, as you help us by your prayers." (v.9-11) The strength to cope when we can't cope comes from God and from the prayers of others. A little later we read, "Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ." (v.21) He doesn't want us to fail and he will give us all the strength we need to be able to confidently face any trials that come to us no matter how hard they seem. He will not try us beyond what we are able to bear. Let us put our faith in God and live in his strength during times of trail. Let us also help those who are going through trials by praying for them. Together - me, you, God and Jesus - we will overcome. Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Robert |
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| It is clear Paul sometimes came accross in the wrong way. Maybe overbearing, or too straight talking. In 2Cor 1:12-14 he explains it is in simplicity and sincerity that he speaks. Sincere, truthful talk is sometimes not easy to listen to. Do we ignore those who we don't like to listen to just because they don't phrase things quite right? And how much help and advice are we missing out on? Rob de Jongh [Mountsorrel (UK)] Comment added in 2010 reply to Rob |
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