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Reading 1 - 2Kings  14
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v.4 - Specific mention is made of the high places not being taken away - ch.12:3, here, 15:4,35. This demonstrates the importance of this action in God's sight. These kings did not make a full return to God. The high places (which were for idol worship) although out of use, were not destroyed until Hezekiah - 2Chron.32:12, and then it didn't last beyond his reign. 2Chron.33:3. Do we have other shrines at which we worship? We must be sure that we remove the high places from our lives completely, even if they are currently 'out of use'.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.27 The seeming all embracing phrase 'under heaven' has a quite specific use in Scripture. The following references demonstrate the universality of Yahweh's judgement. Genesis 6:17 Exodus 17:14 Deuteronomy 7:24 9:14 25:19 29:20 2 Kings 14:27
Not that it always speaks of the whole world as a place but rather that the judgment that is to come is complete
Thus the use in Ecclesiastes 1:13 extends this principle to speak of those things which are happening in His domain.
The two New Testament references Acts 4:12 Colossians 1:23 expand the theme to show that the Father is indeed concerned with salvation for those who will see that life without Christ is vanity.

Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.6 - In seeing the outworking of this righteous justice, executed by the law, let us remind ourselves that as sinners we deserve death, and so reflect on the wonderful grace of our Heavenly Father in offering us the great hope to escape it.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
14:1-3,20 Whilst Amaziah was a good king of Judah the people had no regard to the law of Moses when they buried him. They used horses to take his coffin for burial. This violated the command in the law which prohibited Israel from having horses at all. (Deuteronomy 17:16)
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
FOLLOWING EXAMPLES
One of my favourite songs has a chorus that goes like this,
"Lord I want to be just like you, 'cause he wants to be just like me,
I want to be a holy example For his innocent eyes to see,
Help me be a living Bible, Lord, For my little boy to read,
Lord, I want to be just like you, 'Cause he wants to be like me."
Amaziah, his son Azariah, and his son Jotham were all good kings who followed the examples of their fathers. About Amaziah we read, "In everything he followed the example of his father, Joash."
The scripture commends all these kings for following the good examples of their fathers, yet in one way they did not go far enough. All those kings left the high places still intact and all the people continued to offer sacrifices and burn incense there.
When we see a good person and decide to follow their example, let us remember that everyone who has ever lived has sinned and has fallen short of the standard of God. Only one person ever lived a perfect life and that was Jesus Christ. When we look to others as a good example, look for and follow their best parts and remember to fill in the bad or forgotten parts with Jesus and the Word of God. The example of Jesus and our instruction from God's word are the only two examples we can follow 100% and be sure we are doing what is right.

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Robert
:11-14 The way that Israel took the gold from Jerusalem sound so like the way that Babylon treated Jerusalem and Judah some years alter - but Israel and Judah were brethren!!!!
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter
14:3-4 Yet again a good king with a rebellious nation.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.25 We might have thought that with the death of Elisha (2Kin 13:20) the period of the prophets had ended, but, today we are introduced to Jonah who ministered in the same area before becoming the "reluctant missionary" to that Gentile city of Nineveh. 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John
It was a sad fact that the treasures of the Lord's temple were looted by invaders.  Today we note that Amaziah, king of Israel, plundered the Lord's house, and also the king's house. Jehoash was the grandson of King Jehu. Jehu believed in God, and was the one who told a God-fearing man "Come with me, and see my zeal for the LORD" (2Kin 10:16). How times change!

David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to David
Jeroboam's reign of forty one years was considerably longer than any other of the kings of Israel, yet he is dismissed in a mere seven verses in the record. 2Kin 14:23-29 
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to John

 

V.8 etc. When we read the accounts of the kings, their behavior resembles that of the time of Judges when every man did that which was right in his own eyes (Judg 21:25). 

The pride and arrogance of Amaziah's challenge to Jehoash, and the resulting breaking of Jerusalem's walls and taking of temple treasures, is nothing short of shameful.  This behavior was usually reserved for the enemies of Israel or Judah, and not as a matter of civil strife between brethren.  


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael
2Kin 14:1-3 In reading these verses it appears that king Amaziah was a 'good' king, but when we read 2Chron 25:2,14,27 we learn otherwise.
Tim Taylor [Studley, UK]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Tim

14:4 That the high places were not taken away even though Joash was a good king provides at least a partial explanation as to why the people still did not follow God. In like manner if we have a temptation in our lives we must avoid it completely. It is not good ‘making provision for the flesh’ – Rom 13:14- so that we can return to the temptation whenever we wish.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

 

V.1 Amaziah appears to be a good king.  Initially, this might have been so, but later he changed as pride and arrogance set in.  It always pays to get the full story about people and events by reading parallel accounts.  Suggested reading, in this case, is 2Chron 25


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Michael

14:5 Clearly the killing of the servants who had killed his father was a carefully prepared plan. Whilst Amaziah doubtless wanted to do it as soon as he was on the throne he waited until he could ensure that his plans would be executed before embarking upon them.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

14:20 If Israel had heeded the instruction of Moses – Deut 17:16 - they would not have been able to transport the dead king ‘on horses’.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

V.1 Joash reigned two years in conjunction with his father Jehoahaz.  And so, this second year of Joash is the first year he reigned independently.

V.5 The two assassins of Joash were Jozachar and Jehozabad (2Kin 12:21).

V.7 There was no love lost between Judah and Edom.  Under Jehoram, Edom had revolted (2Kin 8:20). And so, Amaziah decided it was a good time to go clobber Edom. 

The rock Selah is a reference to Petra, the capital of Edom.  Amaziah changed the name of Petra to Joktheel which means subdued by God.  After the incursion by Amaziah Judah held the Edomites in subjection for 80 years.

Vs.8,10 Amaziah was pumped up after his victory over Edom. And so, he thought to challenge Israel.

V.9 Jehoash’s parable, as a reply to Amaziah’s challenge, clearly shows no weakness or lack of confidence on the part of Israel.

Vs.13,14 Israel’s confidence translated in a devastating victory over Amaziah.

V.16 This Jeroboam is often cited as Jeroboam II to distinguish him from Jeroboam, the first king of the Northern Kingdom, Israel.

V.19 Amaziah’s disastrous defeat by Jehoash and the shameful looting of the temple produced many enemies for Amaziah.  Also, at this time, Amaziah had turned away from serving Yahweh (2Chron 25:27).  However, we are not told who assassinated Amaziah.

V.24 Unfortunately, Jeroboam II followed the same sinful practices as his forefather, Jeroboam I.

V.25 This is the same Jonah as the one who went to Nineveh (Jon 1:1,2).  But, at this time, Jonah predicted that Jeroboam II would restore Israel to its ancient boundaries.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

14:21 ‘Azariah’ is Uzziah as can be seen from 2Chron 26:1


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

2Kin 14:25 - "sea of the plain" i.e. the "Dead Sea/Salt Sea" (Deut 3:17); "Jonah" [(3124) means "dove" - the only bird allowed as a sacrifice]; "Amittai" [(573) means "veracious, my truth"]; "Gathhepher" [(1662) means "wine press of the well, the wine press of digging" - it was the hometown of Jonah on the border of Zebulun which is on the coast of Galilee] shows the Pharisees forgot about Jonah's homebase of Galilee along with other echos to Christ (Josh 19:13 - Gittahepher is the same as Gathhepher; John 7:52;Matt 4:12-16;Matt 16:4).


Charles Link, Jr. [Moorestown, (NJ, USA)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Charles
Reading 2 - Ezekiel 4
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v.3 - Is this iron pan connected with the law in Lev.2:5? Does it represent a type of offering, and therefore a way of escape, should the people choose it?
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
The first of Ezekiel's 'enacted parables'. The parables had to be enacted because Ezekiel was now dumb. He could only speak if the Lord gave him a word.
He has to lie on his left side for 390 days and his right side for 40 days by a model of Israel with siege engines arrayed against it drawn on a 'tile'. He has to enter in to the feeling of a siege by eating meagre rations.
This is to show Judah that those that are left in Jerusalem are going to be besieged before they are finally taken captive by the Babylonians.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter
v.4 - By lying on his left side he represented the idolatry and sin of the ten tribes (for Samaria was on his left hand from Babylon) and how they had remained in it three hundred and ninety years. Was this something he did all day and night for a year and 25 days? Or maybe it refers to the position in which he slept at night. In either case it was a discipline which he had to enforce on himself.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
4:14 That God was willing to listen to Ezekiel's scruples and so modify his requirements upon the prophet is instructive. We are expected to take account of the feelings of others - there is ample New Testament evidence of this - and here we see that God expects no more from us than He is willing to manifest himself.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter
Remember when Ezekiel enacted the siege of Jerusalem the city was still standing even though Ezekiel and others had already been taken captivity. Those who saw his actions would remember vividly what they had actually experienced already. One might have thought that this would impact on their minds and cause them to repent, but seemingly it did not.
Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

 

Vs.4,6 Lying on the left side represented Israel; while lying on the right side represented Judah.  In the Near East, people oriented themselves according to an easterly direction.  Therefore, Israel, the Northern Kingdom, would be on the left; while Judah, the Southern Kingdom, would be on the right.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Michael

4:2 'cast a mount against it' is the basis for Jesus' words in Luke 19:43 - the RV in Luke has 'cast up a bank' - so we see that Jesus likens the upcoming destruction by the Romans as a re-run of what happened in the days of Ezekiel.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.3 The use of iron suggests that far more than the Babylonion invasion is being refered to. That was but the beginning of Israel's punishments, which would climax in the later judgements poured out by the iron power of Rome.Dan 2:40
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

V.3 Ezekiel was the prophet of demonstration.  He had to arduously display Yahweh's will in silence (his tongue was stopped until Yahweh released it).  The model of Jerusalem on a clay tablet is obvious, but the iron pan of separation might need some explanation.  I believe it is a reference to Lev 26:19, which suggests punishment from which there could be no escape. 

Vs.4-6 Ezekiel had to lie on his left side to demonstrate Israel's plight, and on his right side for Judah's.  To orient oneself geographically, a person in Bible times would face east.  Therefore, the north would be to the person's left, and the south to the person's right.  Thus, Israel (the northern kingdom) would be displayed by Ezekiel's left side, and Judah (the southern kingdom) by his right.

Ezekiel would only have to lie on his sides during the daytime when he was prophesying. (A pattern derived from the witness of the light which burned continually not continuously) (Lev 24:2).  

The significance of the number of days that Ezekiel had to witness is not certain, but seems it might fit an historical context.  The 390 days of Israel, if started from the division of the kingdom in 931 BC, would come to 541 BC.  The exiles were free to return in 538 BC.  (It should be noted that the Septuagint version records 190 days rather than 390). 

If the 40 years for Judah were calculated from the fall of Jerusalem (586 BC), the year would be 546 BC, when Cyrus was coming to the fore.  Or, the 390 days could be reflecting the 390 years of captivity in Egypt (Exo 12:40,41; Gal 3:17).

Ezekiel was a Christ-type who bore the iniquity of Yahweh's people (Heb 9:28).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

Sometimes people in these days make a fuss about speakers using visual aids.  But God arranged some lovely preaching aids for Ezekiel to use. In today’s chapter the prophet is given the wonderful visual aid of Jerusalem under siege. This would really cause interest among the Jews in Babylon.  The mute man, lying on his side, eating unpleasant food, and portraying their home city under siege!  Visual aids work.

 


David Simpson [Birmingham Kings Norton (UK)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to David

4:17  In saying that they would ‘consume away in their iniquity’ Ezekiel is quoting the curses of Lev 26:36


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter

4:2 In speaking of Babylon raising a mount against Jerusalem he is reminding the captives of what Isaiah had already said – Isa 29:3


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter
14 Ezekiel had been accustomed to the strictest abstinence from anything legally impure. This would have been the same type of scruple that Peter would have had to deal with when he was told to both kill and eat the unclean beasts Acts 10:14
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to John

4:3 Israel had shown that they would not listen to the words of Ezekiel so he now performs some enacted parables. A little like street theatre – but this was not an active show. It was a long term passive activity. Every day as people passed by they would see Ezekiel lying on the ground eating a small amount of food living in a very poor situation. It must have made those who saw him wonder. Far more effective than speaking once or twice to people who did not want o listen


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

4:14 Another man who had scruples about eating unclean things was Peter – Acts 10:14 – though Peter was not given the privilege of a change of plans by God. In Peter’s case a major principle was involve.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

RATIONS

 

Imagine being on rationed food like Ezekiel was. As a parable for God's people, symbolising the famine in Jerusalem, Ezekiel was put on rations just as the people in Jerusalem would be. God's instructions to Ezekiel were, "Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, milet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. ... Weigh out twenty shekels of food to eat each day and eat it at set times. Also measure out a sixth of a hin of water and drink it at set times." (Eze 4:9-11) The footnotes in my Bible tell me the weights and measurement of Ezekiel's food in terms that I can understand. He was allowed to eat 200g or 8oz of food each day, and able to drink 600ml of water per day. Ezekiel's rations were probably less than a quarter of what I normally eat and drink each day.

 

We have to remember that this famine came because the people rebelled against the LORD. They had chosen not to listen to God. In essence they had put themselves on rations when it came to feeding on spiritual things, and as a consequence they were soon to be on rations of natural food.

 

We would all hate to be living in a time of famine. While we have plenty and while we have opportunities to feast on God's word, let's make the most of it and enjoy both the food we eat and the word of God with abundance and thanksgiving. How silly to starve without need.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Robert

 

Vs.9-11 The concoction that Ezekiel had to eat was similar to the pulse (cab of dove’s dung) that was selling for an exorbitant price during the siege of Samaria (See my note for 2 Kings 6, on Sept. 1).  This kind of food was eaten by either cattle or the poor.  And like the siege of Samaria, Ezekiel had to demonstrate the hard times that were in store during the siege of Jerusalem.

The term fitches (KJV) refers to the Nigella sativa. This herb produced black seeds which were sprinkled on bread in the Ancient Near East.

Ezekiel’s culinary mixture had to be portioned out to 390 little loaves, each weighing about 10 ounces.

Ezekiel’s daily water supply amounted to approximately one-and-a-half pints (0.7 liters).

Vs.12,13 Human dung could not be found within the camp of Israel, as it was a defilement (Deut 23:12-14).  

Vs.14,15 Ezekiel objected to the use of human dung, and Yahweh relented allowing cow’s dung instead.  The lesson for us, here, is that Yahweh will listen to any reasonable request, and that He might be prepared to change His mind accordingly.

Vs.16,17 Unlike Ezekiel, who will have sufficient nourishment for his needs, the population of Jerusalem would not, and many would starve (2Kin 25:3).


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

4:8 When God said he would ‘lay bans upon thee’ we have to conclude that this was some form of paralysis which prevented Ezekiel rolling over onto the other side. Whilst being a sign to Israel the whole process must have been very uncomfortable for the prophet.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter
Reading 3 - 2Corinthians  12 and 13
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12 v.14 & 13 v. 1-2 - Clearly the problems at Corinth required a lot of Paul's attention - two long letters and 3 visits - but not, it seems, for the right reasons. This third visit here is equated to the type of procedure that Jesus instituted in Matt.18:15-20. It is clear that Paul is returning to sort out trouble, and not for the first time. He warns them (v.2) that this time he will be ruthless with them. We cannot fail to be impressed with the longsuffering of this man, and with the lengths he has gone to not to reach this stage - the letters and previous visits must have taken a lot of his time and taken time from the conversion of others, but Paul does not shy away from the work, even if it is of a less savoury nature.
Peter Cresswell [Derby Bass Street (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

12 v.1 - 8 Continuing the theme of boasting and exaltation Paul stresses that the 'thorn in the flesh' was from God that he did not boast in the way that those who were opposed to him were inclined to do.
The way that the rest of the chapter continues shows that the Corinthians had a real problem with the status of Paul - doubtless through the seditious words of Paul's antagonists. The antagonism and its effects deflected from the purpose for Paul's work and what it achieved.

13 v.3 'Since ye seek a proof' - again the effect of the 'false Apostles'
v.11 The exhortation to be 'of good comfort', 'of one mind', to 'live in peace' etc: encapsulate the concerns of the Apostle in both the first and second letter.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2001      reply to Peter

ch.12 - We waste our time trying to know what Paul's thorn in the flesh was. What we should learn from his affliction was the thing that the apostle learnt. He learnt that God's grace was sufficient for him (12:9) That is he realised that he did nothing through his own strength. If only we could learn this!

ch.13 - Paul continues the concept of human weakness when he tells us that Jesus was 'crucified through weakness'. Of course the 'weakness' Paul speaks of is the fact that Jesus was one of Adam's children. The wonderful thin is that even though he was a man Jesus, by relying on God, was able to deliver us who are weak and yet are unwilling to totally rely on God's strength.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2002      reply to Peter

12:2,7 Whilst Paul does not claim to be 'the man in Christ' maybe he is speaking of himself. The 'thorn in the flesh' that he was given is described immediately after the comment about revelation as if the two events are related.

13:14 What is the 'fellowship of the Holy Spirit'? Is it something that no longer is available since the ending of the Holy Spirit gifts? Actually the Spirit gifts and fellowship of the Holy Spirit are totally different things. The gifts 'ceased' but the fellowship continues. The means whereby the fellowship exits is the Holy Spirit. That is through the words which are 'Spirit' (John 6:63)


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2003      reply to Peter

12:4'Not lawful' is a repetition of the Greek word 1832. Whenever it occurs singularly it carries the meaning of allowed. So Paul, whilst not being allowed - by his understanding of the gospel - to speak what he had seen he was still fully aware of the vision he had received.

13:5 In saying 'examine yourselves' Paul is using the word 3985 which is elsewhere translated

Matt 3:1        tempted
Matt 22:35   tempting
Heb 11:17    tried

Paul is encouraging us to test our faith. Not by doing foolish things - such as the temptations which Jesus resisted in the wilderness. Rather to use our understanding of Scripture to mould our actions.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to Peter
V.17 Paul's reply: You know well I did not. My associates were as distinterested as myself. An important principle to all who would influence others for good.
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2004      reply to John

 

13:3 Paul's credibility was always being called into question by his enemies.  Believers, though, should have remembered that he had a direct commission from Jesus to be the prime apostle to the Gentiles (Acts 26:16,17). 

As far as the letters that Paul sent are concerned, they would be verified as genuine.  There were brethren who had the gift to discern the spirits (ascertain the genuine from the false) (1Cor 12:10).  John urges this scrutiny (John 4:1). 

Although we do not have the gift of the Holy Spirit, as displayed in the first century, we have the written, completed Word.  We must discern the spirits by the Word in order to divide Truth from error.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2005      reply to Michael

12:4 In saying that the things seen ‘were not lawful for a man to utter’ reinforces the point made the first time we read this chapter this year. Paul did not want to get involved in discussions visions. Revelation in Scripture is more powerful than what a man has experienced in a vision.

13:6 The examining – proving – of ourselves should cause us to realise that we are not going to be cast away. However this should not be a complacent conclusion but one that comes from a realisation of how we are striving to be more like Christ and less like Adam.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Peter
PERFECTION
 
We cannot do any better than to be perfect. It is only when we become perfect, and consistently perfect, that we can say that we are as good as we can be. In the meantime it is our responsibility to aim for perfection and to help others achieve it in their lives.
 
Perfection is one of those elusive qualities that, it seems, no matter how hard we try, we never seem able to achieve it. It is only with the help of God that we can ever hope to be perfect. With this in mind, we can take to heart the words of Paul, when he said, "And our prayer is for your perfection." (2Cor 13:9)
 
No-one is perfect, but wouldn't it be great if some of us were? The encouragement we can gain from Paul is to pray for perfection. Let's not only pray it for ourselves, but especially for our brothers and sisters, just as Paul did. His prayer was for the believers at Corinth and for everyone who read their letter. Praying for the perfection of each other will be giving each other some of the richest blessings we could give. So let's do it: Pray for the perfection of those you love

Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to Robert
V.15 As we read this verse, we get the impression that as Paul's love grew for the Brethren and Sisters in Corinth, the less he was understood, and in turn their love towards him diminished
John Wilson [Toronto West (Can)]     Comment added in 2006      reply to John

13:9  It may seem odd that Paul is glad when he appears weak and the Corinthians appear strong but in reality it would be good if the Corinthians were stronger than Paul. In reality though they only thought they were strong but were actually weak. We should be careful not to form opinions about ourselves which enable us to denigrate others.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Peter

 

12:2-4 Paul had a glimpse of the ultimate glory that awaits the accepted servant of Yahweh (See 1Cor 2:9). 

His glimpse into the future was beyond the kingdom period. We live in the first heaven (dispensation); the kingdom period is the second heaven; and the time when there will be true God-manifestation (1Cor 15:28) is the third heaven

12:7 To keep Paul grounded, Yahweh gave him a thorn in the flesh.  That affliction probably referred to the false apostle(s) he encountered in Corinth. This false opposition would dog him throughout his apostleship. 


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2007      reply to Michael

12:7 Continuing our comment for March this year we see that Paul sees his thorn in the flesh as sent by God to prevent him becoming puffed up. Thus reinforcing the importance of humility in personal revelations.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2008      reply to Peter

12:7 In speaking of the ‘thorn n the flesh’ Paul implies that it would be easy for him to have been ‘puffed up’ and his problem, whatever it was, served to help him to realise his position. A continuing reminder to the Corinthians to avoid following those who sought to lead them astray by desiring a following.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Peter

 

12:4 The word paradise (Gr. paradeisos) refers to a garden (sometimes it is translated orchard).  The reference is really to the Garden of Eden, before the fall.  Then there was a perfect state of harmony throughout creation.  The state of perfect harmony, between Yahweh and His creation, will once again be achieved with God manifestation (1Cor 15:28).

Paradise does not mean a place to where souls float after death.  This is one of the many pagan myths that the apostate church has incorporated into its religious beliefs.

12:8 Paul sought Yahweh three times for the removal of the thorn in his side. Three is a complete number.  If we have a problem that we would like removed, how many times should we seek Yahweh? Yahweh, of course, hears the request the first time it’s delivered.  But, persistence has its virtue.  Perhaps, though, petitioning Yahweh more than three times might be excessive.  

13:5 If we are walking correctly, following the commandments of Christ, we know that Jesus dwells in us.  If we are not walking correctly, even though we claim to be Christ’s, Jesus has no part of us.

13:8 The Word of God can never be extinguished.  Many have tried throughout history, but all have been unsuccessful. Likewise, it is impossible to damage the Truth.  It does not need to be defended or protected – it needs to be represented.


Michael Parry [Montreal (Can)]     Comment added in 2009      reply to Michael

13:3 In seeking a ‘proof’ of Paul’s apostleship we see again another indication that there were some in Corinth who would try to undermine the status of Paul as an apostle that they might present their version of the gospel which was Judaism.


Peter Forbes [Glenfield (UK)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Peter

IN THE FACE OF REJECTION

It seems that Paul did not quite know what to expect after he had sent his letter and planned his visit to the believers in Corinth. He wasn't sure whether his letter would have made a difference in their attitudes, whether they would have repented of their sins, or even if they would accept him as their brother or not.

 

Rejection is one of the hardest things for us to deal with, and probably no less for Paul. I found out the other day that a very good friend had held back on asking for my help because he was afraid I might say no. Whatever the reason, rejection hurts. As it turned out, I assured him that if it was at all possible, I would do almost anything for him.

 

Paul knew the love he had for the believers in Corinth, and he also knew the likely rejection he would receive from them. But he was not going to throw away his love because of their response to him. He said, "If I love you more, will you love me less? Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you." (2Cor 12:15-16) He also said, knowing the chance of rejection, "So I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself aswell." (v.15) Let us not be distracted from a loving attitude by a response that is cold or by rejection, but like Paul, continue showing love, care and compassion, no matter what is thrown our way.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Robert

STRENGTH TO CARRY ON

 

Do you ever get frustrated helping people when you seem to put in so much time, love, energy, emotion or resourses, and yet the response or rewards for your service do not seem in any way to correspond with what is put in. Some might describe it as working toward a hopeless cause.

 

Paul must have felt a bit that way about the believers in Corinth. Of all the places he visited he appears to have spent more time in Corinth than any where else. Added to that is the fact that he appears to have written them at least four letters, the two of which we have in our Bibles are among the longest letters he wrote. And we can also be sure that Paul spent time in prayer for these people who were so dear to him. But for all the effort Paul put in to building up the believers in Corinth, progress was very slow, almost non-existent. He must have felt like he could not go on supporting the Corinthians like this or it would wear him out.

 

It was not his own strength that Paul credited with keeping him going in his dedicated service to these people, he gave the credit to the strength of Jesus working in him. "He (Jesus) is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you. For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God's power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God's power we will live with him to serve you." (2Cor 13:3-4)

 

Let us, like Paul, not give up on difficult people, but ask for and rely on the strength of God through Jesus Christ to give us the strength to serve one another even when it seems hopeless.


Robert Prins [Auckland - Pakuranga - (NZ)]     Comment added in 2010      reply to Robert